Swapping and Combining Vertical and Horizontal Leap Bonuses


Rules Discussion


I've been looking at various ways to boost my Leaps specifically, not High Jumps or Long Jumps, due to the Skyseeker feat. If I'm reading this correctly,

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All Leaps made during this activity gain a +10-foot status bonus to the total height or distance of your leap

does that mean you can apply a vertical status bonus to a Horizontal Leap and vice versa? The fact that it says all leaps can get one or the other bonus is a pretty steep difference to other Leap bonuses like Boots of Bounding

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In addition, when you use the Leap action, you can move 5 feet further if jumping horizontally or 3 feet higher if jumping vertically.

Can this same bonus swapping apply to Dancing Leaf?

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When you Leap or succeed at a High Jump or Long Jump, increase the distance you jump by 5 feet.

Does Spry Sinews apply both bonuses to a single kind of Leap?

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You increase the horizontal distance of your Leap by 5 feet and the vertical distance by 3 feet.

Does the horizontal bonus from Powerful Leap apply to vertical leaps as well?

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You also increase the horizontal distance when you Leap, including as part of a High Jump or Long Jump, by 5 feet.


Thankfully, the rules have a sidebar explicitly saying that the Leap that is inside both High and Long Jumps is indeed a Leap, so improving your base Leap does help all three of them.

This does mean that Spry Sinews is being redundant, as boosting your Leap should always boost your Long Jump. I don't see that as boosting Long Jump 2x, but just making sure the player knows it works for both.

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The Leap basic action is used for High Jump and Long Jump. A horizontal Leap lets you jump up to 10 feet horizontally if your Speed is at least 15 feet, or up to 15 feet horizontally if your Speed is at least 30 feet. You land in the space where your Leap ends (meaning you can typically clear a 5-foot gap if your Speed is between 15 feet and 30 feet, or a 10-foot gap if your Speed is 30 feet or more).

As far as what else can improve your jumps, your PC could always study with a bunch of frogish Tripkee and gain access to their ancestry feats, like Fantastic Leaps.

There's also the alchemical item Firefoot Popcorn.


Trip.H wrote:
Leap should always boost your Long Jump. I don't see that as boosting Long Jump 2x, but just making sure the player knows it works for both.

So are you saying you can only apply the 5 foot horizontal boost to a Horizontal Leap and the 3 foot vertical boost to a Vertical Leap?

I'm not concerned about High Jump or Long Jump in the slightest, as I only plan to Leap through Skyseeker.


Ooh! Neat! My Vanara has some new items to add to his wishlist!

Deyeb wrote:
I'm not concerned about High Jump or Long Jump in the slightest...

My Vanara finds Quick Jump > Long Jump to be a great method for ignoring difficult terrain :)


That one is worded in an "either or" manner, so it's either 5 hori or 3 verti, yes. But I don't think you can do both at the same time, so it's mostly a way to keep the vertical height lower.

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Only one of those you quoted said status bonus, and all flat untyped bonuses stack together. So no problems in that department.

Once you've got that build chosen, you can eat some explosive popcorn and "for 1 minute, you can Leap double the normal distance." which is wonderfully simple and permissive. Whatever your normal max Leap is, the Popcorn lets you then go twice as far.


Trip.H wrote:
That one is worded in an "either or" manner, so it's either 5 hori or 3 verti, yes. But I don't think you can do both at the same time, so it's mostly a way to keep the vertical height lower.

Spry Sinews specifically says it increases the horizontal by 5 AND the vertical by 3. It's the Boots of Bounding that are phrased in an "either or" manner.

Spry Sinews (lesser) wrote:
You increase the horizontal distance of your Leap by 5 feet and the vertical distance by 3 feet.
Boots of Bounding wrote:
In addition, when you use the Leap action, you can move 5 feet further if jumping horizontally or 3 feet higher if jumping vertically.

The end goal here is to use Skyseeker and other bonuses to make a sort of upward diagonal Leap using some bonuses to horizontal length and other bonuses to vertical height.

For example, could you use a Horizontal Leap (15 foot horizontal 0 foot vertical at base), add a 10 foot vertical bonus with Skyseeker (because its phrased like either or bonus could be applied to ALL kinds of leaps), add both a 5 foot horizontal and 3 foot vertical with Spry Sinews (because its phrased using AND), add both 5 foot horizontal AND vertical with Dancing Leaf (because it ambiguously adds 5 feet to the distance, thus adding up to a 5 foot diagonal), AND add a 3 foot vertical (and NOT the 5 foot horizontal) with Boots of Bounding for a leap with a total horizontal length of 25 feet and a total vertical length of 21 feet?

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