Calm


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Pathfinder Lost Omens, Rulebook Subscriber

How do you all run the spell Calm?

Like when there are a group of enemies and there are non violent ways the creatures can help their side? Some of the enemy group gets successes and is fighting while some fail and do what exactly?

These creatures have been magically made calm and cannot take hostile actions.
Would they still cast heal spells on allies?
Call out for help from other allies?

or do you treat this spell as a full action canceler for as long as its conditions are not violated?
I believe I get from the rules these creatures that fail a save just cannot take a hostile action, but this spell is not taking away the ability to do other things. But with the sense of it a creature hit by calm probably doesn't feel the urgency of a combat situation while under its effects so what would they be doing that makes some sense for a creature that doesnt feel like the they need to fight anyone?

Also how liberal would you be with their allies smacking the ones calmed to get them to snap out of it since any creature taking a hostile action would do it?


At failure on the save, it just says that they will not take hostile actions unless attacked themselves. There's nothing in the spell that indicates that they do nothing.

Healing, sure.

Dropping back to a safer place, sure.

Calling for help? Sure.

Stand there and no nothing? No, I don't see that at all.

Calm seems to me to be a spell where if a fight started, and in the fight one - or both - sides realize 'Wait, this is an accidental fight.', then you have a reset button to go back to talking and not have a fight.

Also, the spell does not say that the affected individuals need to be targeted by a hostile action. It says subject to hostility. I would read that as seeing the Casters' side do anything hostile to me and my friends. So, if you Calm me, and then your barb hits my friend with an axe, I think I am subject to hostility, and the spell would end on me.

However, YMMV on that, and however your table would rule that would be right for your table.

Liberty's Edge

I was really hoping for Remaster to clearly define hostile actions.


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The Raven Black wrote:
I was really hoping for Remaster to clearly define hostile actions.

Such a thing is difficult to define

Liberty's Edge

The Total Package wrote:
The Raven Black wrote:
I was really hoping for Remaster to clearly define hostile actions.
Such a thing is difficult to define

All the more reason to give guidelines that people can rely on rather than leave it to table variance.

Hostility is the new alignment.

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