Flip Taunt


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I've been thinking about Taunt. A lot of people have been querying the feel and the effect of it. There is even a question in the feedback about how it should work. So the designers are thinking about it.

Can we really flip the effect.

How about a Guard action instead of a Taunt?

Single Action. Choose an ally within 10ft. Until the end of your next turn, enemies the Guardian can see are -1 to attack that ally. You get a +2 circumstance bonus to attack rolls versus any enemy that takes a hostile action against your guarded ally and doesn't include you as a target.

It is a big boost to the attack power of the Guardian - which is coming off a low base.

It is usable if you are on low health. So play wise it doesn't share the same limitation as Intercept Strike.

It doesn't conflict stylewise with the Charisma based effects like Demoralise or Bon Mot, or the Swashbuckler in general.


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I would like more proactive defending like this, where the Guardian is spending actions setting up defenses (& retributions, etc.) rather than relying mainly on Reactions.

A similar one I'd like to see is something like the patrolling feat from 3.X. I can't remember its name, but you spent your turn setting up an area where you could retaliate (and it had plenty of prereqs).


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It should be Combat Patrol.


I proposed a similar idea where the Guardian can spend an action to closely watch an enemy and shout a warning to his allies when the Guardian sees it start to do something threatening.

It would be 1 action, grant all allies with 30ft. an extra reaction against that foe attacking them, dealing damage to them, or forcing them to make a save. You could keep the current class DC based save from taunt and set the values for the reactions there, or set them to some flat bonus like an effective +1 AC, +1 to a single save, or some value of damage reduction.

Thematically it's you being vigilant and ready to call out a warning to allies too far away for you to body block for them.


Disappointed this isn't about the Guardian Taunting people by doing back flips.

Otherwise I agree.

Advanced Warning.
You predict the enemy's attack and shout a warning to your ally. Select an enemy and an ally. The ally gains +2 to AC and saves against that enemy until the start of your next turn.


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Guardian needs a ranged ability. restricting it down to 10ft will mean they have to use more actions striding to get in 10ft range. The 30ft isnt long range but it gives a bit of room where the guardian can reach an ally.
For example they wouldn't be able to reach an ally on the other side of a large creature, technically 15ft away.


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Bluemagetim wrote:
For example they wouldn't be able to reach an ally on the other side of a large creature, technically 15ft away.

if the Guadian could trigger off enemies as well, that would help their "range".

I.e.
And adjacent creature takes a hostile action that doesn't target you, or is targeted by a hostile action.
You become the target of the triggering action.


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Bluemagetim wrote:

Guardian needs a ranged ability. restricting it down to 10ft will mean they have to use more actions striding to get in 10ft range. The 30ft isnt long range but it gives a bit of room where the guardian can reach an ally.

For example they wouldn't be able to reach an ally on the other side of a large creature, technically 15ft away.

I don't really want to get bogged down with the details. I really only meant this as a general suggestion. If you ţhink 30ft is better OK. But bodyguards are normally close. This doesn't stop the bodyguard being ranged.


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Gortle wrote:
Bluemagetim wrote:

Guardian needs a ranged ability. restricting it down to 10ft will mean they have to use more actions striding to get in 10ft range. The 30ft isnt long range but it gives a bit of room where the guardian can reach an ally.

For example they wouldn't be able to reach an ally on the other side of a large creature, technically 15ft away.

I don't really want to get bogged down with the details. I really only meant this as a general suggestion. If you ţhink 30ft is better OK. But bodyguards are normally close. This doesn't stop the bodyguard being ranged.

I apologize, and you have a point. I think the fact that taunt gave the guardian something to do at range was the main thing I liked about it. Your suggested ability at least affects all visible foes so its still helping when the Guardian is keeping adjacent to intercept strike.

I do think the +2 to hit from your suggestion is sorely needed.

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