Mounted pounce question

[JDawg75]

I am familiar with how pounce works, and generally with mounted combat as well.

My understanding is if I am riding a Big Cat, the Cat can charge and pounce using its action, resulting in a full attack. At that point I could also full attack.

As a barbarian, I could use the Greater Ferocious Mount rage power: "While raging and mounted, the barbarian’s mount gains the benefits of any rage powers that are constant in effect when the barbarian is raging."

If I used the greater totem ability which gives me pounce, and shared it with my mount, couldn't I give the mount the pounce ability even if it did not have it, such as a horse?

J

[AwesomenessDog]

You can't pounce a creature just because your mount has pounce, you only get a normal charge (not a full attack).

That said, if you have the Greater Beast Totem and Greater Ferocious Mount, yes your mount can pounce while you are raging regardless of creature type.

But let me ask, what creatures are you fighting that a mounted pounce build at least 10th level can't kill with a triple full attack damage that you need your mount to pounce as well?

[Tottemas]

"If I used the greater totem ability which gives me pounce, and shared it with my mount, couldn't I give the mount the pounce ability even if it did not have it, such as a horse?"

Yep. The combination of Greater Ferocious Mount and Greater Beast Totem would give your mount Pounce.

"My understanding is if I am riding a Big Cat, the Cat can charge and pounce using its action, resulting in a full attack. At that point I could also full attack."

If you also had pounce, you could also full attack. Correct.
If you don't, like say you're a normal druid riding on top of your Big Cat, you would not be able to full attack.

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"can't kill with a triple full attack damage"

Are you implying that they'd use a Spirited Charge lancer build to get 3x dmg on every attack? That was FAQ'd rather early to not be the case. You only get the 3x multiplier on the first of your attacks.

https://paizo.com/paizo/faq/v5748nruor1fm#v5748eaic9p1k
"Lance: If I have the pounce ability and I charge with a lance, do my iterative lance attacks get the lance's extra damage multiplier from charging?
-No, it doesn’t makes sense that those iterative attacks gain the damage bonus."

https://paizo.com/paizo/faq/v5748nruor1fm#v5748eaic9ru6
"During a mounted charge, you deal double damage with your first melee attack made with a lance"

[AwesomenessDog]

Tottemas wrote:

"can't kill with a triple full attack damage"

Are you implying that they'd use a Spirited Charge lancer build to get 3x dmg on every attack? That was FAQ'd rather early to not be the case. You only get the 3x multiplier on the first of your attacks.

Hardly, a typical attack from an 11th level barabrian charging with a lance will deal d8+15str+9power attack+4 furious weapon without even doing something like adding the mount's strength from another feat.

That's d8+28 5 times if they high with every attack (which is fairly likely for anyone being charged by a barbarian), or 5d8+140=~162.5 dmg. Typical CR 14 threats are the first CR to have more hp than the barbarian will deal without critting at around 180. So even factoring in the mount's normal charge (not pounce) damage. The barbarian can easily handle CR 14 (APL+3 encounter) threats in a single charge action, on their own (including the mount they spent 2-3 feats on). Nevermind the other 3 party members that may be sitting waiting to contribute, does the barbarian *need* their mount to pounce as well? Just to kill a CR=APL+3 encounter in a single round with around a 50% occurance?

[JDawg75]

I'm glad I'm mostly correct about how that stuff works. I think I found the relevant rule: "If your mount moves more than 5 feet, you can only make a single melee attack. Essentially, you have to wait until the mount gets to your enemy before attacking, so you can’t make a full attack."

So if we both have pounce, that's the only way we could both full attack at the end of a charge.

J

[I grok do u]

JDawg75 wrote:

I'm glad I'm mostly correct about how that stuff works. I think I found the relevant rule: "If your mount moves more than 5 feet, you can only make a single melee attack. Essentially, you have to wait until the mount gets to your enemy before attacking, so you can’t make a full attack."

So if we both have pounce, that's the only way we could both full attack at the end of a charge.

J

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[AwesomenessDog]

I grok do u wrote:

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[JDawg75]

One more q: I don't need the mounted skrmisher feat in order to pounce, as long as I have the ability to pounce I can pounce mounted?

[Diego Rossi]

JDawg75 wrote:

One more q: I don't need the mounted skrmisher feat in order to pounce, as long as I have the ability to pounce I can pounce mounted?

AFAIK, yes. If you and your mount charge, you can use pounce. You don't need Mounted skirmisher.