Weapon Legend and Feats that change weapon categories


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Hopefully what it says on the tin:
I'm playing a Half-orc fighter who took Orc Weapon Familiarity. It says:

"In combat, you favor the brutal weapons that are traditional for your orc ancestors. You are trained with the falchion and greataxe. In addition, you gain access to all uncommon orc weapons. For the purpose of determining your proficiency, martial orc weapons are simple weapons and advanced orc weapons are martial weapons."

My fighter is 15th, and has Weapon Legend among other things, which says:

"You've learned fighting techniques that apply to all armaments, and you've developed unparalleled skill with your favorite weapons. Your proficiency ranks for simple weapons, martial weapons, and unarmed attacks increase to master. Your proficiency rank for advanced weapons increases to expert.

You can select one weapon group and increase your proficiency ranks to legendary for all simple weapons, martial weapons, and unarmed attacks in that weapon group, and to master for all advanced weapons in that weapon group."

Sooo what I'm wondering is this:
Does Orc Weapon Familiarity (and other feats like it) make the advanced weapons due to ancestry (in my case the Orc Necksplitter) count as Martial for determining the proficiency level just for what I can weild, or even for things like Weapon Spec? Or does it only count for determining "Can I pick this weapon up and use it atmax attack bonus?"

My character has axes as Weapon Legend and is wielding a +2 Greater Striking Flaming Necksplitter, so I was wondering how much extra damage I'd get from things like said Weapon Specialization or Greater WS.

Thanks in advance!


Weapon Familiarity is changing your proficiency rating with those weapons. So the Necksplitter is still an advanced weapon for some random things that are looking for weapons that are classified inherently as advanced weapons.

But in your hands, the weapon uses your martial weapon proficiency for everything that is asking about your proficiency with the weapon. Including Weapon Specialization.

So if you are Master proficiency with the Necksplitter, then Weapon Specialization would be adding +3 damage.

Liberty's Edge

I think it works. Your Orc Necksplitter counts as Martial to determine your proficiency. So, Weapon Legend works like this : is it an axe ? Yes. Is it Martial ? Yes because we're talking about proficiency thus Orc Weapons Familiarity applies. So, Legendary.

And Weapon Specialization checks your proficiency with Orc Necksplitter and sees that it is Legendary, so +4.

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