Specialized apparitions


Animist Class Discussion


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It would be kinda cool for animists to be able to get a hyper specialized lore by calling on a specific spirit for the day, like not just mountain lore, but this mountain lore. Mechanically, I think it’s be easiest to do by just giving a +2 circumstance bonus to relevant checks


Unicore wrote:
It would be kinda cool for animists to be able to get a hyper specialized lore by calling on a specific spirit for the day, like not just mountain lore, but this mountain lore. Mechanically, I think it’s be easiest to do by just giving a +2 circumstance bonus to relevant checks

Maybe a feat that allows for a performance check with some bonus to perform a ceremony that calls forth the spirits of the area (with some text describing different ways that could look) that functions like a specific lore skill check

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Unicore wrote:
It would be kinda cool for animists to be able to get a hyper specialized lore by calling on a specific spirit for the day, like not just mountain lore, but this mountain lore. Mechanically, I think it’s be easiest to do by just giving a +2 circumstance bonus to relevant checks

Specific lore gives a bonus of +5.

I would style it as getting Additional Lore for the day on a specific Lore skill.

Compare to the various Ancestry feats that give you Trained for the day in any skill.

TBT I think the Apparitions should just give Additional Lore for their lores. Simpler to track.

Envoy's Alliance

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I like the idea of a special feat to do a performance check and on success the apparition you prepare is a LOCAL apparition making it's lore specific to this location.

That way you can have a path where you specialize in the Lore aspect of the Animist. Maybe a feat to increase your proficiency in one Lore skill per day.


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I think the dance element is a cool option but I don’t think every animist interaction with apparition needs to be filtered through performance. Unless that is getting built more into the class, or one subclass interacts with spirits through dance, and another through diplomacy or deception and each get their skill for free, I think it risks forcing a skill starved class to need to boost a skill they won’t otherwise have much use for.

They just made the cleric not be so Wisdom and Cha focused, I am not sure it is a great idea to just move that over on to the animist though.


Seems to me like a religion check would make more sense than a performance check.

Envoy's Alliance

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While a diplomacy or other charisma check might make more sense than the performance check, I wouldn't go with religion as these apparitions are very specifically NOT gods, and not figures of worship.

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Zoken44 wrote:
While a diplomacy or other charisma check might make more sense than the performance check, I wouldn't go with religion as these apparitions are very specifically NOT gods, and not figures of worship.

Religion is not only for gods. And the Animist starts Trained in Religion.

Not to mention I can totally see Apparitions as figures of worship.


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Zoken44 wrote:
While a diplomacy or other charisma check might make more sense than the performance check, I wouldn't go with religion as these apparitions are very specifically NOT gods, and not figures of worship.

While they're not "gods" in the Western sense, apparitions are still very much figures of worship.

The animist is a class inspired by animistic religions such as Shinto and other stuff that i'm too dumb to know about. While thematically you can definitely spin it in other directions, the Animist is essentially a cleric, but for an animistic faith rather than a theistic one.


Unicore wrote:

I think the dance element is a cool option but I don’t think every animist interaction with apparition needs to be filtered through performance. Unless that is getting built more into the class, or one subclass interacts with spirits through dance, and another through diplomacy or deception and each get their skill for free, I think it risks forcing a skill starved class to need to boost a skill they won’t otherwise have much use for.

They just made the cleric not be so Wisdom and Cha focused, I am not sure it is a great idea to just move that over on to the animist though.

I was using a performance check to more broadly cover any formalized "ceremony" to summon a spirits. Heck, a tea ceremony is still a performance, even if it's dull to watch


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There are a lot of cool ways it could be done, and maybe the development team already has some ideas that don’t need a lot of testing to implement.

Like it would be cool if the animist could leave an apparition slot open in the morning and attune via skill check during the day to get that more specific lore skill as well. Or for sages to always get it related to their primary apparition. If it doesn’t happen, it doesn’t happen, but thematically, it would be cool for the negotiated spirit connection to be lightly meaningful, but not require a ton of character investment.

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