Arcane Cascade and Non-Damaging Elemental Schoolless Spells


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As explained in the entry for Arcane Cascade on the Archive of Nethys

Arcane Cascade wrote:


If your most recent spell before entering the stance was one that can deal damage, the damage from the stance is the same type that spell could deal (or one type of your choice if the spell could deal multiple types of damage). If the spell couldn't deal damage, this stance's bonus damage depends on the spell's school.

In the case of many elemental spells, they do not have a school, only an associated element.

As a hypothetical, let's say we cast Tremor Signs. As a magus, I then activate Arcane Cascade.

What damage is Arcane Cascade?

(I have a good answer as a house rule, and that's literally just looking at the Kineticist's basic blast to see what damage types they get with an associated element, but that's not necessarily how this works.)


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Magus was written under the paradigm that every single spell belongs to a school.

RoA spells are written under the upcoming Core remaster rules of pf2 that changes said paradigm.

Until Core 1, and potential magus errata to fix Cascade, is released, your best bet is simply assigning a school to RoA spells.

Read the spell, figure which school it would have fit into, and use that.


Ah, that explains the discrepancy. Makes sense! Thanks muchly.


We are expecting errata for Secrets of Magic along with the Remaster that should fix this problem and hopefully several other problems with Arcane Cascade.

In the mean time, just houserule schools onto the Rage of Elements spells along with whatever houserule you use to allow the Arcane Cascade stance to continue being used after you immediately violate the Stance's requirements by using the Arcane Cascade action.

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I have a feeling it will just be extra damage of the same type as your weapon, unless the spell did damage, then it matches that type. It's just the easiest solution.

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