So it says that when you use a buckler and a two-handed weapon at the same time, you get a -1 on attack rolls and the AC bonus of the shield does not apply.
But what about magical enhancements?
Would a +2 enhancement work?
What about other magic like "Blinding", "Fortification" or "Arrow Deflect"?
At last, an Animated Buckler, when animated, would it still apply the -1 to attack? In the description it says that you keep all penalties associated with it.
But what is the point of it then, you gain no new abilities, loose none of the penalties and even some things you can't do anymore.
So it says that when you use a buckler and a two-handed weapon at the same time, you get a -1 on attack rolls and the AC bonus of the shield does not apply.
But what about magical enhancements?
Would a +2 enhancement work?
What about other magic like "Blinding", "Fortification" or "Arrow Deflect"?At last, an Animated Buckler, when animated, would it still apply the -1 to attack? In the description it says that you keep all penalties associated with it.
But what is the point of it then, you gain no new abilities, loose none of the penalties and even some things you can't do anymore.
I would say no. Shields are use activated: they turn on when you're doing something with them. If the shield isn't giving you an ac bonus, it isn't being used, and isn't on.
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Would a +2 enhancement work?
No, it enhances your shield bonus to AC, which you don't get.
What about other magic like "Blinding", "Fortification" or "Arrow Deflect"?
Blinding - yes, you can use the command word ability if you're wearing the shield. It's more or less a wondrous item ability that happens to be attached to a shield. You could do so anyway. Because it's a standard action, you're not getting an attack that round, so you could let go of the 2H weapon with one hand if you had to.
Fortification - no, you're not using it as a shield.Arrow Deflection - no, the shield is not ready to react to a ranged attack.
At last, an Animated Buckler, when animated, would it still apply the -1 to attack? In the description it says that you keep all penalties associated with it.
But what is the point of it then, you gain no new abilities, loose none of the penalties and even some things you can't do anymore.
Yes, "all penalties" would include that one. However, you get to apply the shield's bonus and most special abilities while wielding a 2-handed weapon.
Yes, "all penalties" would include that one. However, you get to apply the shield's bonus and most special abilities while wielding a 2-handed weapon.
Yes, that part occured to me when I read my post again a while later, but didn't edit it out.
On a similar note, would an animated light or heavy shield allow me to attack with two hands while it's animated?
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Yes, "all penalties" would include that one. However, you get to apply the shield's bonus and most special abilities while wielding a 2-handed weapon.Yes, that part occured to me when I read my post again a while later, but didn't edit it out.
On a similar note, would an animated light or heavy shield allow me to attack with two hands while it's animated?
Yes. Remember that it's a move action to activate the shield and another move action to draw a 2-handed weapon or an off-hand weapon, so you might lose a full round's actions out of the shield's 4-round duration. If you had a 2-handed weapon already grasped in one hand, that would work well.
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-1 on attack rolls and the AC bonus of the shield does not apply.
1) But what about magical enhancements?
2) Would a +2 enhancement work?
3) What about other magic like "Blinding", "Fortification" or "Arrow Deflect"?
4) Animated Buckler, when animated, would it still apply the -1 to attack? In the description it says that you keep all penalties associated with it.
5) But what is the point of it then, you gain no new abilities, loose none of the penalties and even some things you can't do anymore.
1) Like what?
2) +2 Buckler? As in AC 3? Yes the AC 3 would be lost including the +2 enhancement to AC which is "AC bonus" and lost.
3) If they are constant abilities and not related to attack or AC of the shield, they would be retained.
4) Yes retain the -1 atk and loss of AC.
5) Yes some combinations of things are sub-optimal. That is life.
animated light or heavy shield allow me to attack with two hands while it's animated?
Yes
Wow... rulelawyer fail here:
As a move action, an animated shield can be loosed to defend its wielder on its own. For the following 4 rounds, the shield grants its bonus to the one who loosed it and then drops. While animated, the shield provides its shield bonus and the bonuses from all of the other shield special abilities it possesses, but it cannot take actions on its own, such as those provided by the bashing and blinding abilities. It can, however, use special abilities that do not require an action to function, such as arrow deflection and reflecting. While animated, a shield shares the same space as the activating character and accompanies the character who activated it, even if the character moves by magical means. A character with an animated shield still takes any penalties associated with shield use, such as armor check penalty, arcane spell failure chance, and nonproficiency. If the wielder who loosed it has an unoccupied hand, she can grasp it to end its animation as a free action. Once a shield has been retrieved, it cannot be animated again for at least 4 rounds. This property cannot be added to a tower shield.
You can also use your shield arm to wield a weapon (whether you are using an off-hand weapon or using your off hand to help wield a two-handed weapon), but you take a –1 penalty on attack rolls while doing so. This penalty stacks with those that may apply for fighting with your off hand and for fighting with two weapons. In any case, if you use a weapon in your off hand, you lose the buckler's Armor Class bonus until your next turn. You can cast a spell with somatic components using your shield arm, but you lose the buckler's Armor Class bonus until your next turn. You can't make a shield bash with a buckler.
[/QOUTE]You don't have a shield arm while the buckler is Animated thus you don't take the penalty to hit and don't lose the AC bonus.
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You don't have a shield arm while the buckler is Animated thus you don't take the penalty to hit and don't lose the AC bonus.
You take all penalties associated with shield use anyway. It's magic.
The Animated property doesn't specifically name the attack penalty for a buckler, because the text is not specific to an animated buckler, but covers all animated shields. It doesn't need to, since you take any penalties associated, such as the examples given.
You don't have a shield arm while the buckler is Animated thus you don't take the penalty to hit and don't lose the AC bonus.You take all penalties associated with shield use anyway. It's magic.
The Animated property doesn't specifically name the attack penalty for a buckler, because the text is not specific to an animated buckler, but covers all animated shields. It doesn't need to, since you take any penalties associated, such as the examples given.
Ok so your argument is even though I'm not using the shield arm I still take the penalty to attack as if I was.
However I still maintain that I keep the AC bonus since losing such a bonus isn't a penalty (as per the argument that you lose the bonus to AC while using a bow since it isn't a penalty an therefore isn't avoid through the use of a bow) and because the animated description specifically states I get the shield bonus and enhancement bonus.
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You don't have a shield arm while the buckler is Animated thus you don't take the penalty to hit and don't lose the AC bonus.You take all penalties associated with shield use anyway. It's magic.
The Animated property doesn't specifically name the attack penalty for a buckler, because the text is not specific to an animated buckler, but covers all animated shields. It doesn't need to, since you take any penalties associated, such as the examples given.
Ok so your argument is even though I'm not using the shield arm I still take the penalty to attack as if I was.
However I still maintain that I keep the AC bonus since losing such a bonus isn't a penalty (as per the argument that you lose the bonus to AC while using a bow since it isn't a penalty an therefore isn't avoid through the use of a bow) and because the animated description specifically states I get the shield bonus and enhancement bonus.
Certainly, you get the AC bonus and other shield abilities (apart from those that give you an attack that you have to direct with your arm, such as bashing and blinding) while you wield a weapon, or two weapons if you want, using both hands. That's the point of the item.
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Certainly, you get the AC bonus and other shield abilities (apart from those that give you an attack that you have to direct with your arm, such as bashing and blinding) while you wield a weapon, or two weapons if you want, using both hands. That's the point of the item.
If by item you mean Animated Shield? Then yes. I agree.
Mmmh I think the rules might be :
- When you buckler is attached to your arms AND you use this arms to wield a weapon you lose the AC and all the "defensive automatic" magical properties, and you have -1 to attack roll.
- If you animate the buckler you have to loose it from your arms, thus you don't have the penalties above, just the one written in the armor table thus : -1 armor check penalty and 5% spells failure (and nonproficency if it applies). That's all, no -1 to AC... ;)
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Mmmh I think the rules might be :
And you are welcome to come to that interpretation and call it RAW.
But likewise, my interpretation (that you still take the -1 to attacks) is RAW.
The issues is, until there is an official clarification neither side can prove their interpretation.