Scrounger crafts from precious material

[Laclale♪]

What if scrounger crafts temporal item from precious material, which are applied for determining level and required prof of it.

[Baarogue]

Scrounger Dedication, APG p190 wrote:

You can Craft items even without appropriate tools or a workshop, though you take a –2 item penalty to your Crafting check. Additionally, you don't need a physical formula book to remember all of your formulas; you pay the same cost as normal to learn them, but you memorize them all.

You can Craft temporary items out of anything, anywhere, with whatever materials happen to be on hand, spending only 10 minutes to perform the initial Crafting check. The temporary item must be common, non-magical, 1st level or lower, and must be a weapon, armor, or a nonconsumable piece of adventuring gear. Instead of a single item, you can create 10 pieces of a single type of ammunition. This is a shoddy item, but you don't take the normal penalty when using shoddy items you made using this feat. Your temporary item lasts for 1d4 hours before falling apart into its raw components; the GM rolls the number of hours secretly. You can create only the physical item, not any information or magic, so for example, while you could create a blank journal or one of random pages, you couldn't use it as a scholarly journal or a religious text.

You can incorporate any materials or items that you have on hand, even if they're not the type of materials that would ordinarily be used to Craft a given item, though you must have enough volume of material to make the item you want. Unless all the materials you used were an appropriate type to make the item, you take a –5 penalty to the Crafting check (or a –10 penalty if the materials you used were particularly unsuitable, as determined by the GM).

High Level Scrounger, Level 6 wrote:

When you Craft a temporary item using Scrounger Dedication, it can be an item of up to 3rd level (though the item must still be a weapon, armor, or a nonconsumable piece of adventuring gear). You can instead Craft it for someone else's use, allowing them to avoid taking the penalty for using a shoddy item when using it, but causing you to take the penalty if you use it.

I bolded the parts I think are relevant to your question. If you're making it on the fly you're unlikely to have proper tools and workshop unless you're hauling a portable smithy or something. Until level 6 you can only make level 1 items, which disqualifies all precious materials. If you take HQ Scrounger at 6 you can make up to level 3 items, which allows the lowest quality cold iron and silver weapons and shields. Armors begin at level 5 so they're out. If you don't HAVE enough (or any) cold iron or silver you may take a severe penalty on the craft check but that's up to your GM

[Laclale♪]

So you say material's level are also included to determine level.

Seeing this, High quality scrounger text doesn't have "common, non-magical" in (). Still applied?(Perhaps it will be changed in Treasure Vault)

[Cordell Kintner]

High Level Scrounger changes only what it says it changes, in that the item can be 3rd level instead of 1st. Any other limitation stays in place.

The problem with trying to say, craft a Cold Iron weapon with this feat, is that you are ignoring the special requirement to craft said item: "at least 20 sp of cold iron + 2 sp per Bulk". You aren't able to ignore those special requirements, and even if the GM lets you try that would be at a huge -10 (Equivalent to crafting a 9th level item). I as a GM wouldn't allow it in any circumstance, you absolutely need some cold iron to make a cold iron weapon.

[breithauptclan]

First, I find this incorrect word usage thoroughly amusing.

Laclale♪ wrote:

What if scrounger crafts temporal item from precious material, which are applied for determining level and required prof of it.

So thanks for that.

Yes, English is hard.

Temporal means something regarding the flow of time itself. So Delay Consequence is a spell that creates a temporal effect.

Second, I think I agree with Baarogue. But I want to list out the various options better.

Assuming in all cases that the character has enough cold iron to make the cold iron dagger that they want to make, and that they have the formula for the item.

With just the Scrounger Dedication they could make the cold iron dagger in the standard 4+ day crafting period. Without any tools or workshop, they would take a -2 penalty to the crafting check. It would be a permanent item at that point.

With just the Scrounger Dedication they would not be able to make a temporary cold iron dagger in 10 minutes because it is a level 2 item and they can only make level 1 items.

With the High Level Scrounger upgrade feat, they would be able to make a temporary cold iron dagger in 10 minutes because it is a level 2 item and they can now make items up to level 3 with that ability. The item would stop being a dagger and return to its base components in 1d4 hours - meaning that you would get the raw cold iron item back.

Third, I also agree with Cordell regarding the statement in parentheses. The High Level Scrounger feat has the statement, "it can be an item of up to 3rd level". The statement in parentheses, "though the item must still be a weapon, armor, or a nonconsumable piece of adventuring gear" clarifies that first statement so that people don't get confused and think that they are able to create any and all 3rd level items such as talismans (consumable) or wands (magic item) with the Scrounger ability. The statement in parentheses isn't adding any new restrictions to the Scrounger Dedication ability. It is putting limits on what the upgrade ability adds.

[Laclale♪]

I hope scrounger/Inventor will have feat that negates material level restriction/Magical trait restriction for 10-min made item.

[breithauptclan]

There are different archetypes that allow creating consumables - Scroll Trickster and Talisman Dabbler come to mind. But those are limited per day.

Allowing Scrounger to create magical items or special material equipment without additional cost feels like something that should also be limited per day.

Being able to create a wand or scroll in 10 minutes with no additional cost seems like something that would be very unbalanced. That is effectively a nearly limitless amount of spells per day. Even something like an Onyx Dog Figurine would give unlimited usage of an item that is supposed to be limited to once per week.

[Laclale♪]

Oops. I meant trustworthy round without magical trait.