| Nik Gervae |
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Hello...been away a while after my Pathfinder group fell apart and I guess these charts went away with my group stuff! Sorry about that. John R asked me to put the charts back up, so here you go. Please use this new thread to post requests & error reports. And I'm sure you will find errors! (Archives of Nethys stopped loading http links so I had to change all those to https.)
Pathfinder 2 Class Feat Charts
The idea of these charts is to show at a glance how class feats are related, by dependency and functional area, along with useful notes and keywords.
Most charts include ratings from particular class guides. You can click on any feat to look up its full description at the Archives of Nethys, and the ratings citation at top right to open the cited guide. There are lots more class guides now so I doubt I'll be incorporating them all on the charts themselves, it just gets crazy. I could link to each class's guides on the individual charts, but it might be best to just link to Zenith's Guide to the Guides. If there's a particular guide's ratings you really really want incorporated, feel free to ask.
I could also publish the charts without any guide ratings at all, if you would prefer that. Note that my OmniGraffle Pro source document is in the folder, so if you have that app you can muck with a personal copy of the charts or make your own for particular classes I haven't gotten to yet. (I'm doing new classes as I have time & interest, but I don't expect to cram in every new supplemental feat outside of core books.)
Please do report any errors you find here.
| VestOfHolding |
These are great! Thanks for making these.
| Nik Gervae |
These are great! Thanks for making these.
You're welcome!
I just added Gunslinger, Magus, and Summoner, so all classes are to my knowledge covered. I've also made sure all have at least one set of ratings. Do you find those useful?
Now that I've got all classes, I might go back and revisit some design choices. Each class was in some senses a new experiment, so not everything is consistent, and not everything works that well. Some particular things I might change if I have the time & inclination:
Ratings matching the guide's style: The dots-for-stars thing never really worked for me, so I might translate that to numbers across the board. In general it might be better to standardize how the charts present ratings. (I gotta say though, FlurryofBlunders's use of ★ ● ◆ ▼ in their Summoner guide works surprisingly well for at-a-glance recognition, better than numbers.) I also experimented with the numerals being colored vs. the circles, not sure which I like better. Guides that split ratings over two ranks proved to be quite a pain, although they often had good reason (such as the rank depending on subclass).
Feat bubble borders & fill: Originally it was pretty useful to have the Core Rule Book and Advanced Player's Guide distinguished, but for all the other classes, there is no such distinction to be made. I tried different borders for fun, but the idea is to convey information. I just don't know what new information would be most useful to convey via borders. I applied gradients to Ranger warden spells, stances, and Champion/Cleric alignment-based feats, but I'm not sure how useful those really are. (Color-blindness is always an issue with just using color differences, in any case.)
Page Numbers: I had a request early on for page numbers, but pushed back against that. It's easy enough to click the feat and open Archives of Nethys, which does give page numbers, and page numbers on the charts would really clutter things up. What do you think? I mean, at this point it would be a lot of work too! :-P
Feat Groupings: Looking back, I see I changed how I grouped certain feats across classes, so I will probably review that at some point.
Fighter: Fighter wound up with so many groupings I broke it into separate charts, one for each fighting style. Do you find that useful or would you rather have a single chart?
As always, if you find any errors, or have any suggestions on how to improve these, please do post here. I'd be particularly interested to know how the feat groupings are working for you. Are they helping you plan a build? Are they leading you astray in any way?
| inshal chenet |
First off, I love these!
On your questions:
Ratings: I think you should just standardize them. I like the dots, but the summoner guide symbols are nice as well.
Bubbles: I don't think you need to distinguish core vs APG or whatnot. Save those for the really helpful changes for stances, and warden spells and whatnot. I think that those are helpful!
Page Numbers: Dont use page numbers, the links are good enough.
Groupings: I don't have a preference.
Fighter: I think the Fighter should have just an extra extra long chart. One sheet makes more sense.
I plan on giving these to my players, thank you for the good work!