Halcyon speaker archetype cantrip question


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A druid in my campaign has expressed interest in the Halcyon Speaker Archetype dedication

Halcyon Speaker.

I want to understand the sentence "gain two common Halcyon Cantrips".

1) Does the druid have 2 halcyon cantrips that they can choose from when choosing their 5 cantrips for the day (giving them extra choices off their usual spell list) OR does the druid get to prepare their 5 primal cantrips in addition to the 2 halcyon cantrips giving them a total of 7 cantrips? (This statement ignores the extra cantrip the druid gained from the Magaambyan Attendant Dedication which was a prerequisite for the Halcyon Speaker Archtype)

2) Under the general rules for Halcyon spells it states "You can’t heighten a halcyon spell beyond your maximum spell level of halcyon spell". Normally cantrips auto heighten to half your level rounded up. Do the Halcyon cantrips auto heighten as normal or are they impacted by this specific language?


Flambe wrote:
I want to understand the sentence "gain two common Halcyon Cantrips".

I have always interpreted it that anything that gives you some number of cantrip choices also gives you the "slots" to use those cantrips with.

There is no requirement for Magaambyan Attendant or Halcyon Speaker that the character has to already be able to cast spells. So giving those two cantrips but no space to prepare them in wouldn't make any sense for non-spellcasters. So it shouldn't work that way for spellcasters either.

Flambe wrote:
Under the general rules for Halcyon spells it states "You can’t heighten a halcyon spell beyond your maximum spell level of halcyon spell". Normally cantrips auto heighten to half your level rounded up. Do the Halcyon cantrips auto heighten as normal or are they impacted by this specific language?

The cantrips will heighten fully.

Magaambyan Attendant Dedication wrote:
(as is normal for cantrips, it is heightened to a spell level equal to half your level, rounded up).

The restrictions for heightening Halcyon spells is for the spell slot spells.

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