Sleepwalker and dreamlands


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Hello, I have questions about sleepwalker, dreamlands and immersive mindscape.

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Created and sustained by the collective dreams of sleeping mortals, the Dreamlands (also called the Dimension of Dreams) overlays the Ethereal Plane. When a creature dreams, regardless of the location of their physical body, they interact directly with the Dreamlands. Sleeping creatures cast themselves into the plane in idealized avatars known as lucid bodies, and their dreamscapes are immune to outside entry by standard magic such as plane shift, requiring obscure, more specialized spells to access. The dreamers of each mortal world generate a cluster of dreamscapes, like drifting bubbles atop a deeper ocean of permanent dreams formed from the collective mass of slumbering desires, dreams of especially powerful dreamers, and the dreams of ancient, obscure entities—including the gods of the Elder Mythos. While most dreamscapes are safe, travelers in the deep, permanent Dreamlands face living, animate dreams and the predation of night hags from the Ethereal Plane, as well as stranger beings spawned within the core itself.

Some scholars postulate a distinct region within the dimension for nightmares, much as the more stable inner portions of the dimension exist separately from the transient, ever-forming and evaporating mortal dreamscapes at its edges. Others conflate this nightmare region with the demiplane of Leng, while still others dismiss this notion but speculate that Leng is somehow accessible to dreamers who intentionally seek it out.

Dream Magic :

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You learn dream-related magic to aid your studies. Choose dream message or sleep upon taking this feat; you learn this spell as a 4th-level innate occult spell. If you choose sleep, you can cast the spell only while in a Daydream Trance. You become trained in occult spell attack rolls and spell DCs, and your spellcasting ability for these spells is Wisdom.

Can a character cast these spells several times ?

Same question with shared dream.

Immersive mindscape :

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An immersive mindscape forms in the Astral Plane and is shaped purely from the thoughts of its creator. Created of powerful psychic magic, it brings creatures fully into it in their astral forms. Their bodies might remain behind, inactive, or be totally drawn in, depending on the nature of the mindscape. Typically, the mindscape appears to the senses to be a real place, and the inhabitants believe they're physically there.

Though a mindscape is always mutable with subjective gravity, its nature can be veiled, causing inhabitants to be unaware of these properties. Veiled mindscapes typically appear to have normal gravity and morphic traits. Overcoming this appearance to alter the mindscape's structure or use subjective gravity requires realizing it's false.

Can their bodies enter also in immersive mindscape ?

There is a construct mindscape (rare) ritual. How can a character use the ritual ? because the ritualist archeptype gives only uncommun rituals.

Is it possible to increase the size of a existing mindscape using several the same ritual ?

Mindscape door :

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Your bodies typically remain behind in stasis when you enter a mindscape, though some mindscapes pull you entirely into them upon entrance. If you enter a mindscape, you can leave only by using another mindscape door ritual, finding an exit within the nature of the mindscape, or when the mindscape ceases to exist. When exiting a mindscape, you typically return to your bodies or to the location where you entered the mindscape.

Is it possible to use the dreams of a creature to enter an other world ? For example, the characters from Golarion travel for a world as greyhawk, forgotten realms ? ....

Thanks for your future answer.
Thanks for your future answer.


OK. Rules for innate spells:

Innate Spells wrote:
The ability that gives you an innate spell tells you how often you can cast it—usually once per day—and its magical tradition.

Say that the ability that gives you the spell should also tell you how often per day you can cast it.

Since it doesn't, that is a bit of an error in the writing of the ability.

But I would go with the 1/day frequency given in the rules for Innate Spells generally as the default.

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Waldham wrote:
Can their bodies enter also in immersive mindscape ?

I think the spell description says that it is possible, but it depends on what the GM and players decide.

At least, according to what you quoted already.

Immersive Mindscape wrote:
An immersive mindscape forms in the Astral Plane and is shaped purely from the thoughts of its creator. Created of powerful psychic magic, it brings creatures fully into it in their astral forms. Their bodies might remain behind, inactive, or be totally drawn in, depending on the nature of the mindscape.

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Waldham wrote:
There is a construct mindscape (rare) ritual. How can a character use the ritual ? because the ritualist archeptype gives only uncommun rituals.

The same way you get access to anything else tagged as Rare.

You don't necessarily need the Ritualist archetype. Anyone can cast any ritual that they know.

Getting access to and learning the ritual is the hard part and where the rarity traits come into play.

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Waldham wrote:
Is it possible to increase the size of a existing mindscape using several the same ritual ?

I expect that is up to GM discretion.

It doesn't look like the rules allow expanding the size of an existing mindscape. And since the size of the mindscape is based on the results of the skill checks, I would expect few GMs would go for that normally.

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Waldham wrote:
Is it possible to use the dreams of a creature to enter an other world ?

Again from the quoted rule - typically no. When you leave the mindscape through any means you either return to your body (if it didn't enter with you), or return to the location you were at when you entered the mindscape.

The GM can make it work differently if desired.

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