Mountain stance maneuvers

[ketrava]

So i have seen lots of discussion on leaving the ground canceling mountain stance but, what about maneuvers? If I trip grapple disarm etc do ublose the stance?

Stance questions. What ends the stance?
1 grapple
2 trip
3 throw dart
4 using a ki spell that isn't ki strike
5 using a manipulate action

It seems to be accidentally insanely restrictive. I get its good but this makes so many monk options just impossible

[Castilliano]

The rules are:
-Unarmored
-Touching ground
-Strikes are limited to Falling Stone

So...
1. Grapple is fine; Strikes are limited to one type, but other attacks and actions work as usual.
2. Ditto.
3. Cannot throw a dart as it's not a Falling Stone Strike, so "throwing a dart" does not occur. And yes, that's quite restrictive, but it's also likely Dex hasn't been raised. It's a hole in their offense to pay for their great defense. Cantrips are one way around this among others.
4. No issues, assuming no Strikes are involved other than Falling Stone, that it doesn't armor them up or make them leave the ground, and no Stances are activated (which would swap old for new).
5. Dang, how restrictive do you think this is? The monk's hands haven't been turned into actual stones!

So "throwing a dart" is the only one which typically conflicts, and it cannot end the Stance since it cannot be done.

[ketrava]

Castilliano wrote:

The rules are:

-Unarmored
-Touching ground
-Strikes are limited to Falling Stone

So...
1. Grapple is fine; Strikes are limited to one type, but other attacks and actions work as usual.
2. Ditto.
3. Cannot throw a dart as it's not a Falling Stone Strike, so "throwing a dart" does not occur. And yes, that's quite restrictive, but it's also likely Dex hasn't been raised. It's a hole in their offense to pay for their great defense. Cantrips are one way around this among others.
4. No issues, assuming no Strikes are involved other than Falling Stone, that it doesn't armor them up or make them leave the ground, and no Stances are activated (which would swap old for new).
5. Dang, how restrictive do you think this is? The monk's hands haven't been turned into actual stones!

So "throwing a dart" is the only one which typically conflicts, and it cannot end the Stance since it cannot be done.

I comprehend now. It just turns strike into falling stone not makes only strikes legal. I am used to figuring out all the pitfalls before hand to make sure I'm not messing things up. Thanks

[breithauptclan]

You are also allowed to do other things that have Strike as part of them. Most common being Flurry of Blows and Ki Strike. But when it asks you to make a Strike, the only Strike you can use is the Falling Stone strike.

So Flurry of Blows you could use and make two Falling Stone strikes.

Ki Strike would also work and you could either use Falling Stone directly or use Ki Strike to use Flurry of Blows to make two Falling Stone strikes.

Checking through the other Ki spells I am not finding any that are not able to be used. None of them directly create a different type of Strike.

Ki Blast is a saving-throw spell. Not a Strike. So it works just like other damaging cantrips would.

Some of the Ki spells will end the Mountain Stance though. Wild Winds Stance will end Mountain Stance because you are entering a different Stance. Casting Wind Jump won't immediately end Mountain Stance, but once you use your Fly speed you will no longer be on the ground, so the stance ends because its requirements are not met.

[Cordell Kintner]

Spells don't make strikes anyway, they make Spell Attack Rolls, so in Mountain Stance (or any other stance that restricts your Strikes) you could cast spells like Produce Flame just fine.