Tiny undetected creatures sharing a space


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When you target a square with two undetected creatures in it(one tiny) what happens?


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I don't believe there are provisions in the rules for targeting "space." You either target a creature directly, or pick a point of origin (and direction if appropriate) for an area of effect.

If the creature is undetected, you can pick a space in the hopes that your target is there, but ultimately, you're still targeting the creature.

Ergo, I believe any creature you did not declare a target to be inconsequential. You either hit your chosen target, you miss your chosen target, or your chosen target was never there (which results in nothing at all, not even a Miss or Failure result). Anyone not your target is not checked against in the first place regardless of their position, size, or visibility; and so does not risk getting struck.

Exceptions abound.


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Ravingdork wrote:
I don't believe there are provisions in the rules for targeting "space."

There is. Undetected

Quote:
A creature you're undetected by can guess which square you're in to try targeting you. It must pick a square and attempt an attack.

If you guess wrong, you are targeting empty space and making an attack against it.

So you can attack air, but not a wall or a chair.


So can you hypothesize that there is a tiny invisible fairy in a space and use it to resolve an ability that requires a target? When there in fact was never a target anywhere?

Might be appropriate role playing for a superstitious barbarian.


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breithauptclan wrote:
Ravingdork wrote:
I don't believe there are provisions in the rules for targeting "space."

There is. Undetected

Quote:
A creature you're undetected by can guess which square you're in to try targeting you. It must pick a square and attempt an attack.

If you guess wrong, you are targeting empty space and making an attack against it.

So you can attack air, but not a wall or a chair.

That doesn't prove anything. If it intended it to be, they likely would have said "targeted" rather than "selected."

I believe that you don't target a square. You target a creature. Selecting a square and targeting it are not the same thing.


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Ravingdork wrote:
breithauptclan wrote:
Ravingdork wrote:
I don't believe there are provisions in the rules for targeting "space."

There is. Undetected

Quote:
A creature you're undetected by can guess which square you're in to try targeting you. It must pick a square and attempt an attack.

If you guess wrong, you are targeting empty space and making an attack against it.

So you can attack air, but not a wall or a chair.

That doesn't prove anything. If the developers intended it to be that way, they likely would have said "targeted" rather than "selected."

I believe that you don't target a square. You target a creature. Selecting a square and targeting it are not the same thing.

Fixing a typo.


Gortle wrote:
So can you hypothesize that there is a tiny invisible fairy in a space and use it to resolve an ability that requires a target? When there in fact was never a target anywhere?

That is what I read from the printed rules. And I guess that would solve the problem with Clan's Edge, though it would also progress MAP.

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