Escape with unarmed attack modifier


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Liberty's Edge

Pathfinder Lost Omens, Rulebook Subscriber

From the Escape action:

CRB wrote:
Attempt a check using your unarmed attack modifier

It's notable that it is phrased seemingly to make it clear that such a check is not an attack roll per se but one that merely uses the attack modifier. So what is an attack modifier outside the context of an attack roll? For a PC, is this their unarmed proficiency bonus plus their strength modifier--excluding the finesse trait, handwraps potency runes, and anything else that specifically applies to attack rolls?

For NPCs, it feels even less well-defined. An NPC may or may not have one or more unarmed attacks (for lack of use of the unarmed trait, whether an attack is unarmed is hinted at by the name of the attack), each possibly with a distinct modifier. An NPC simply doesn't have an unqualified "unarmed attack modifier" on its stat block. Is there a go-to procedure for inferring the number, or is it an ad hoc GM call?


Escape has the attack trait. I don't know if it is still an attack roll per se, since that errata made it weird. But among other things it definitely has MAP. And your unarmed attack modifier is everything that modifies your unarmed attacks-- runes, circumstance bonuses, proficiency, ability score, status bonus-- everything.

The bestiary has guidance on how to handle unlisted NPC unarmed attacks. A default rule of thumb is just use the NPCs weapon attack modifier minus any item bonus they'd be getting from a +1-3 weapon.

Liberty's Edge

Pathfinder Lost Omens, Rulebook Subscriber
Captain Morgan wrote:
And your unarmed attack modifier is everything that modifies your unarmed attacks-- runes, circumstance bonuses, proficiency, ability score, status bonus-- everything.

I thought to exclude runes since an escape isn't an attack roll, and potency runes only apply to attack rolls:

CRB wrote:
Attack rolls with this weapon gain a +1 item bonus


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"Unarmed attack modifier" includes everything that applies to attack rolls made with your unarmed attacks. This includes runes. It was clarified by Mark Seifter on the How it's played YouTube channel when answering a question about what "unarmed attack modifier" means when referenced in Wildshape.

I'm not 100% certain about finesse, though. Maybe look for the video and see what exactly Mark said.

Liberty's Edge

Pathfinder Lost Omens, Rulebook Subscriber
Blave wrote:
"Unarmed attack modifier" includes everything that applies to attack rolls made with your unarmed attacks.

It includes everything that applies to attack rolls made with your unarmed attacks ... when making attack rolls. And the Wildshape question had to do with making attack rolls. What applies when not making attack rolls?


Tarpeius wrote:
Blave wrote:
"Unarmed attack modifier" includes everything that applies to attack rolls made with your unarmed attacks.
It includes everything that applies to attack rolls made with your unarmed attacks ... when making attack rolls. And the Wildshape question had to do with making attack rolls. What applies when not making attack rolls?

Escape is an attack roll in regards to everything but the application of damage and allowance of True Strike to apply to the roll. All other standard modifiers, bonuses, and penalties apply.

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