Trait trickle down effect


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If I have a flaming weapon, my weapon has the fire trait. If I make a strike with said weapon, does my attack have the fire trait as well? If so, what does this mean for how it interacts with abilities, effects, and immunities/resistances/weaknesses? If not, why not?

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Okay, as I understand it if you have a Flaming Longsword, your damage would be X slashing, Y Fire. Resistances and Weaknesses would be tallied seperately, so a creature with Physical Resistance 2 and Fire Weakness 10, your damage would be X-2, Y+10. I'm unclear what happens if the Physical Resistance drops your damage to zero, although I am inclined to rule that it wouldn't cancel out the fire damage. You still hit the creature, so the fire damage still goes through.


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The part of your damage that is fure damage is the only part that interacts with weakness, vulnerability or immunity to fire. The Strike action does not gain the Fire trait, so if you end up underwater, for example, you'll find your fire damage not helping you, instead of finding that you can no longer stab at all because of the rule against using fire trait actions underwater.


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So...there is no trickle down effect in 2nd Edition?

If that's the case, can anyone cite the rules for that?


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Flaming rune does fire damage. Swords do slashing damage, having an elemental trait does not change the damage, only helps to define it (ie the fire trait does not mention it changes all damage to fire, merely that fire is involved)


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Not without more time to search than I have right now, because this isn't a "CRB page X says it isn't" case. It's a "one passage that was later errataed out of the CRB said yes things have gone back and forth on this and it was eventually answered as no but I did not save a link" case.


Also AFAIK while the flaming rune does have the fire trait it does not impart it upon the sword. Therefore, the rune, dealing fire damage, has the fire trait.


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It was a change between the 1st and 2nd printing, but I don't think its listed in the errata.

In the first printing the book said:

CRB 1st Printing page 451 wrote:


Damage Types and Traits
When an attack deals a type of damage, the attack action
gains that trait. For example, the Strikes and attack
actions you use wielding a sword when its flaming rune is
active gain the fire trait, since the rune gives the weapon
the ability to deal fire damage.

While the second printing deleted that entire paragraph, w/o calling it out in the errata,

There is, of course, argument over if its an intentional change given the lack of mention in the errata; however most people seem to be happier without the inheriting/trickle down of traits since it makes the flaming sword underwater aspect, or the runed weapons v golem aspects more playable.


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The Lost Omens Ancestry Guide clarifications on the FAQ page have this:

Quote:

What actions qualify for the requirements of the resonant weapon trait's Conduct Energy action?

You can only use Conduct Energy with actions that have one of the required energy traits. Using an action other than a spell that causes damage with the listed trait does not necessarily qualify unless the action also has the trait.

For example, if you used the ifrit's Scorching Disarm action, you could channel fire energy into your weapon via Conduct Energy, as Scorching Disarm itself has the fire trait.

However, if you made a Strike with a flaming weapon, the Strike action does not have the fire trait, so you couldn't use Conduct Energy.


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Nice. It seems rare these days that a specific example gets addressed so directly.

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