Profanity Policy - Has It Changed?


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Grand Lodge

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Just to make it clear, is it now policy that ANY posts with profanity, even those caught by the filter, will be removed? Or that it always was and was not enforced before recent events?

Grand Lodge

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Most recent example I have found.


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It was always against forum rules, though it was policed inconsistently (based on context, I suspect) - sometimes posts were deleted with that given as the reason. Other times it was just a warning.

There’s a few clearly lighthearted posts beneath the one you found that have been left, for example.


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For science!


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OK, let's give it a shot:

Kurwa.

:D


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TriOmegaZero wrote:
Just to make it clear, is it now policy that ANY posts with profanity, even those caught by the filter, will be removed? Or that it always was and was not enforced before recent events?

Good question. Because moderator's comments* like "please don't try to get around the profanity filter" imply that the profanity filter is the safe net that auto-moderates posts. Sometimes I have PbP characters that curse, and I've always assumed that was cool.

* And that's similar language to what's on the "Community Guidelines" page linked at the bottom of the page reads.

Dark Archive

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I do know which word the filter will not even let you post. Like, if you have this word in yer post, hit submit, and.... nothing.

Spoiler:
pbp with a profanity spewing LG Cleric is fun!

Dark Archive

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Totally Not Gorbacz wrote:

OK, let's give it a shot:

Kurwa.

:D

and since we are in a thread about language, CURSE YOU POLISH PHONOLOGY!

Liberty's Edge

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If we are on the topic I'd like to express disappointment that profanity (with the exception of intentionally offensive slurs) is considered an issue on these forums at all, I mean... period. Sure, it might be helpful in regards to cutting back on people being insulting or rude to one another but... again, that is its own rule anyhow and even then folks often can get away with putting one another down around here if they're careful to be more patronizing than anything else which... if you ask me, is WAY f@!#ing worse.

Swearing has historically been discouraged out of classist societal norms that have taught most English speaking children that cursing is "low class" or only for the uneducated, considering it to be crass or disrespectful even when the cursing isn't directed at anyone at all, or in some cases is considered especially heinous when aimed at one or more gods.

Other nations do not have this kind of puritanical culture where they consider swearing to be immoral or disrespectful, or in the very least, they're nowhere NEAR as uptight about it. Swearing is actually often one of the most flexible, positive, and healthy ways of intelligently expressing frustration, anger, happiness, excitement, surprise, arousal, or pretty much ANY emotional state, something that is EXTREMELY difficult to express in text format online without emojis or complicated /flags that are inconsistent in terms of those who know how use them or in other cases can be, again, patronizing as hell.

Preventing swears on the platform, I feel, does far LESS good than harm, and research has come out time and time again showing that discouraging or censoring it actually decreases the ability for people to effectively communicate honestly or openly. It's like language gatekeeping, and not the good kind that's meant to stop people from being harassed but simply a way of showing disapproval for people who talk like... real human beings.

/rant

Sovereign Court Director of Community

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From the Community Guidelines:
Profanity/Vulgar Speech
While certain language may not be offensive to you, please consider that some phrases may have a completely different effect on someone else. Trying to get around our profanity filter or purposefully obscuring profanity/vulgar phrases is not acceptable.

It has always been part of the current community guidelines. I can't speak to past enforcement but currently, it depends on several factors, primarily time available and what other moderation is needed in the thread. If we are clearing out other flags, posts with profanity will get scooped too. If it is a PbP thread that hasn't been flagged for moderator attention, it is less likely to get removed. It is the reality of the time available to moderators.


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Wait, you were seriously offended by my joke posts.

Somebody's let the moderating power get to their head, lighten up!

I already miss Sara Marie.

Shadow Lodge

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So it’s a new interpretation, got it.

Dark Archive

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Yeah, that’s how I’m gonna run with it.

Sovereign Court Director of Community

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captain yesterday wrote:

Wait, you were seriously offended by my joke posts.

Somebody's let the moderating power get to their head, lighten up!

I already miss Sara Marie.

Whether I'm offended or not doesn't matter. It is more that, if one part of the community guideline isn't upheld, it makes it harder to uphold the others.


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Tonya Woldridge wrote:
captain yesterday wrote:

Wait, you were seriously offended by my joke posts.

Somebody's let the moderating power get to their head, lighten up!

I already miss Sara Marie.

Whether I'm offended or not doesn't matter. It is more that, if one part of the community guideline isn't upheld, it makes it harder to uphold the others.

So, it's like a fascist regime without the fun of the bag of turnips.

Okie dokie, Comrade, at least I know where you stand. Thank you.


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Pathfinder Lost Omens Subscriber

The really disappointing thing with the profanity filter and assumptions of 'masking' is that I have a character that speaks with a dialect (in part because he's lost teeth over battles) and it is a valid speech impediment that seems to lately been triggering the profanity filter.

When Agraic is talking, it's not any attempt to be profane (usually), and I really hope that the speech of characters talking isn't going to be policed when there are many other important things for Customer Service to work on.


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Wei Ji the Learner wrote:


The really disappointing thing with the profanity filter and assumptions of 'masking' is that I have a character that speaks with a dialect (in part because he's lost teeth over battles) and it is a valid speech impediment that seems to lately been triggering the profanity filter.

When Agraic is talking, it's not any attempt to be profane (usually), and I really hope that the speech of characters talking isn't going to be policed when there are many other important things for Customer Service to work on.

"If it is a PbP thread that hasn't been flagged for moderator attention, it is less likely to get removed."

Sounds to me like they're not going to go looking, but if they see it in a thread that's getting moderated anyway, it'll get swept up in the rest of the deletions.

Different moderators likely mean different emphasis, but I don't see any reason to think the policy or practice will be drastically different going forward.


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I love watching edgelords have theoretical debates from the safety of their privilege without having to consider other people. It's really the best part of the forums right now.

[EDIT: Not related to the post above, but to exactly the posts you think it relates to.]


In any company - or any kind of organization - different employees will interpret the same rules differently. That's been my experience, anyway.

Grand Lodge

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It's damn weird to see posts called out for 'getting around the profanity filter' when all of the words in question are masked by the filter.


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This isn't actually any change in policy. It's always been against the rules to try and circumvent the profanity filter and it's always been against the rules to use profanity - even if the profanity filter kicks in and edits your post.

The policy has always been loosely enforced based on context.

It's a situation where I personally think flexibility and potential inconsistency yields a better experience than some robotic algorithm ruthlessly applied.

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