I'm unsure if this has been addressed before.
Would someone who gains an innate spell but isn't a spellcaster (like an elf) be able to get a wand of that specific spell and use it?
Say an elf ranger getting true strike and wanting to cast it more often.
Nope
Said Ranger could however take Trick Magic Item and use the wand whether they have the innate spell or not.
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To cast a spell from a wand, it must be on your spell list. Because you’re the one casting the spell, use your spell attack roll and spell DC. The spell is of your tradition.You need a spell list, and it needs to be on it.
I just find the definition of what a spell list is kinda... Vague... If you have an innate arcane spell, you have a spell list of one and the one spell is on it.
But i see no reason to challenge anything concretely, so for that aforementioned elf he'd need to get occult spell list dedication through ancient elf heritage.
I just find the definition of what a spell list is kinda... Vague... If you have an innate arcane spell, you have a spell list of one and the one spell is on it.
Spell lists are tied to a tradition and some kind of spellcasting feature. Your spell list is not a list of spells you know, have in your repertoire, are prepared, or can cast, but rather it is used in determining all of the above and swapping things in and out of that category within the confines of the rule. An innate spell does not reference a spell list, but rather is given to you regardless of whether it's on your list or not, and it may or may not come with some restrictions. Moreover, it doesn't interact with any existing spell lists you may or may not have.
As far as I'm aware, no mention of spell lists is given outside of the 4 related to a tradition: Arcane, Divine, Occult, and Primal.
If you can point me to a spot where spell lists are mentioned in a way that suggests otherwise, please feel free to correct me, as I'm very open to being proven wrong here.
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Innate spells do not meet the requirements of the Cast a Spell activity needed for Activating items.
Normally, a PC does not have access to the Cast a Spell activity. They need to either be a Casting class, or pick up a Casting Archetype to gain access to it. For example, all Casting Dedications say something along the lines of "You gain access to the Cast a Spell activity."
If you only have an Innate or Focus Spell, you may Cast that Spell. But ONLY that Spell. Having them does not allow you to Cast a Spell from an item, as you don't technically have access to the Activity nor the Spell List that is needed.
For example, all Casting Dedications say something along the lines of "You gain access to the Cast a Spell activity."
I think this is just reminder text. Clearly, people with innate and focus spells can use the action [you need Cast to cast, and you can clearly cast them] even if the text doesn't give it explicitly much like they can "supply material, somatic, and verbal components". As such, I don't see Cast a Spell as having any direct impact on Activating Items.
IMO, it's the "You must have a spellcasting class feature to Activate an Item with this activation component" that makes it so that innate spells do not work.