Purple Worm Rider


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Hello, I want to attempt a purple worm rider.

General Feat : Adopted Ancestry (Gnome) (1)

Native region : Cinderland

Burrow Ecolutionnist (1), as a purple worm is an animal with a burrow speed (heritage feat)

Animal Ecolutionnist (5) (heritage feat)

Don't the ancestry feats require any physiological feature that I lack, is it right ?

With these feat, it is to Make an Impression on purple worm to become friendly or helpful.

With cave worm repellent (550 gp x7), to avoid melee attack and swallow.

Then with bonded animal (2) [Skill] :

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You can spend 7 days of downtime regularly interacting with a normal animal (not a companion or other special animal) that is friendly or helpful to you. After this duration, attempt a DC 20 Nature check. If successful, you bond with the animal. The animal is permanently helpful to you, unless you do something egregious to break your bond. A helpful animal is easier to direct, as described under Command an Animal.

Train animal (1) [skill]

Ride (1)

Become an expert in Nature to take the bonded animal feat :
Magaambyan Attendant Dedication ou Magic Warrior (2) or skill increase (3rd) to become Expert ?

Is it possible to use Inveigle ritual with a purple worm ?
How heightened the ritual (6th) ? when the character has a level 12 ?

Same question with Earthbond ritual.

Is it possible to put a ring of sustenance on a purple worm ?
Or use the Heroes's Feast Ritual ?

A mean to locate and call a purple worm :
Use the commune with nature and primal call ?

Thanks for your future answer.


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These are all questions for your GM. It's not like any of our answers are going to allow these shenanigans elsewhere. As a thought experiment it's intriguing, but I'd never expect to witness it at a table (and it'd be difficult to respect any table that featured it w/o major narrative purposes).
So yeah, it's funny/cool/bizarre/ridiculous, but when it comes to rules & rigor, our answers, however RAW they might be, won't matter much.

I do respect that you've noted the difficulty in feeding it!


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Castilliano wrote:
These are all questions for your GM. It's not like any of our answers are going to allow these shenanigans elsewhere.

I would definitely agree with that.

However, we can at least double check that there isn't anything that actually violates the rules.

I am actually a bit surprised that the Purple Worm is indeed an Animal and not a Beast. So that at least doesn't cause this to not work.

I don't know if you actually need Animal Elocutionist, though it will help. It only gives you a bonus to Make an Impression on the Purple Worm. It doesn't say that animals will let you attempt a Make an Impression check (like the Druid Wild Empathy class ability says you can). In fact, if your GM wants to shut this idea down, this would be the easiest way to do it - simply not allow the Make an Impression on the Purple Worm.

Assuming that the GM is on board with this being allowed at all, I think that you are right - the most difficult part of this is finding and encountering a Purple Worm in a manner that doesn't just cause combat.

Inveigle could work - if somehow you could stay within 10 feet of the Purple Worm for an entire day. So you would probably already need to have succeeded at the Make an Impression to cause the Worm to become friendly. Otherwise you would have to restrain, subdue, or tranquilize the thing. There is the heightened version though. That could be a way of going about this.

I'm not seeing Earthbond. Heartbond wouldn't be appropriate.

Commune With Nature would work for finding a Purple Worm in the area.

Primal Call is easily your best way of getting a friendly Purple Worm to join you - it is basically the game mechanics way of asking the GM very nicely to make it happen.

I don't think that an animal can invest items, so the Ring of Sustenance is probably not going to work. I can't find the rule on that though, so I may be wrong.

Heroes' Feast would probably work - if you could pull it off. Having a Purple Worm in attendance may put a damper on things.


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Yeah, there a bit of a disconnect with the purple worm simultaneously an animal and the ravenous engine of pure destruction the bestiary described. This came up for me in a game, and the compromise I landed on was letting the players sneak up to a sleepy worm and empathy it, then ride it to the next battle... At which point when it flew into a destructive frenzy. It didn't differentiate friend from foe when it thrashed, and ultimately died fighting gugs. But the players got a cool moment when they crashed through the wall of the cave and watched the worm go to town on the gugs. Ultimately they were just glad they didn't have to fight it, and we didn't have to open the can of worm when the party reached town and had to decide what to do with the purple people eater.

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"When applied to a creature, the repellent causes cave worms of the indicated type to avoid attacking that creature in melee as long as they have something else nearby to attack."
Are you going to bring along a friend to get eaten while you talk to the worm?

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