Verdant bloodrager bloodline


Rules Questions


Question about the 1st level power:
At 1st level, you gain fast healing 1 while bloodraging. Your fast healing increases by 1 at 4th level and every 3 levels thereafter, to a maximum of fast healing 6 at 19th level. If you have a bloodrager class feature that also grants you fast healing (such as the spelleater’s blood of life class feature), you can stack up to half of your fast healing from such abilities with the fast healing gained from this ability, but you cannot do so by an amount that exceeds your Charisma bonus (minimum 0).

That gives me FH7 at 19th level and not FH6.
What's the official take? So far it seems already a contestant against Spelleater, it it's FH7 is pretty much no question.
Many thanks in advance.


You certainly gain fast healing 1 at L1, it's the L1 power. Assuming that fast healing 6 at L19 is true requires writing something new to say how it advances, assuming that the rate of advancement given is true just requires ignoring the probably incorrect math at the end of the sentence. So I'd go with fast healing 7 at level 19.

Spelleater is an archetype rather than a bloodline, it doesn't directly compete or have anything to do with this question.


Quick look at ultimate wilderness FAQ, nothing official regarding this bloodline, and couldn’t find anything similar scanning the other FAQs about when progression math doesn’t add up. It’s probably out there somewhere though as a comment on a thread from someone official.

Personally I’d lean towards you get FH7. Because it’s not ‘you can choose to increase’ as opposed to another option every 3 levels, with it capping at 6, it’s just “your fast healing increases by 1….every 3 levels thereafter.”

Plenty of other abilities cap prior to where they’d bust at 20 next progression, they could’ve done that with this one, instead it scales to level 19 so keep scaling.

Not to mention the difference of FH+\-1 is (while nice) kind’ve minuscule at level 19.


avr wrote:


Spelleater is an archetype rather than a bloodline, it doesn't directly compete or have anything to do with this question.

He’s probably creating a character and weighing late-game scaling. Might be starting this character at high level. Like spell-eater with a different bloodline or verdant with a different archetype.


Sorry if my wording came up wrong or as an attack. I know more stuff comes into play when making a character (concept, backstory, etc) than just numbers but comparatively speaking seems to be better mechanically to go crossblooded with verdant and then the bloodline you want than that bloodline and spelleater. You keep DR and have FH7. Also Primarlist costs nothing and you can exchange unwanted BL powers for Superstition+.

Also not really that much of a high level, already at 4th level you are +1 above spelleater.
SpEat 2, 7, 10, 13, 16, 19
VerdB 1, 4, 7, 10, 13, 16, 19

I was checking, I will still go Spelleater route because like I said concept matters and it fits better the backstory to not be verdant in my case. While mechanically I'm giving up more (now is DR and +1 FH).

Liberty's Edge

It is only an opinion, but I would think that whoever invented the power first chose the ceiling and then did the math on how you get there, so I would have it cap at FH 6 at level 16.

But this is something your GM should decide, as there is no way to have an official reply.


Diego Rossi wrote:

It is only an opinion, but I would think that whoever invented the power first chose the ceiling and then did the math on how you get there, so I would have it cap at FH 6 at level 16.

But this is something your GM should decide, as there is no way to have an official reply.

I think the opposite. They did the math but got it wrong, then put the wrong number in for the cap.

Honestly, the difference between FH:6 and FH:7 at level 19 is so insignificant that it's hardly worth caring about either way. Like, the fact that you HAVE Fast Healing isn't insignificant, but getting +17% to that Fast Healing (which still doesn't make it more than a bandaid) just isn't going to have much impact.

Personally I'd give them the +1 (because seriously, why not?), but if my GM drew the line there I wouldn't let it influence my character choices at all.

But as you say neither of us are official, so ask your GM.


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MrCharisma wrote:
I think the opposite. They did the math but got it wrong, then put the wrong number in for the cap.

Strongly agree. Most of the time, those cap numbers are irrelevant anyway, so they're probably just an afterthought. It's even entirely possible that the author didn't include a cap at all, and the editor hastily put it in.

An ability that's gained at 1st level cannot have a cap of 6 at 19th level, the math simply doesn't work out. Which means the cap cannot be correct, one of the two values ("6" or "19") must be erroneous.

So either the author decided on a cap at a level no one plays and tried to work the calculation from there, and got the level number on the cap wrong, and calculated the progression wrongly... or the author or editor made a simple math error on the cap's value number. Occam's Razor.

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