Does the scroll price includes Focus price ?


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The Concordance

When purchasing a scroll, does the price includes Focus price ?

Reference:
Magic Item Creation chapter,(CRB 552) "A material component is consumed when she begins writing, but a focus is not. (A focus used in scribing a scroll can be reused.) "


No. If the scroll has a material component cost, it is added to the base price and cost to create.

The price of a scroll is equal to the level of the spell × the creator’s caster level × 25 gp.

A Focus is not consumed when creating a Scroll, so it is not added into the base price. But Material Components are consumed, so they are added onto the base price.

But you still need to buy a Focus in order to create the scroll. The cost of a Focus is covered when you buy your Spell Components Pouch, and its therefore negligible in almost all cases.

Magic wrote:

Components

A spell’s components explain what you must do or possess to cast the spell. The components entry in a spell description includes abbreviations that tell you what type of components it requires. Specifics for material and focus components are given at the end of the descriptive text. Usually you don’t need to worry about components, but when you can’t use a component for some reason or when a material or focus component is expensive, then the components are important.

Verbal (V)

A verbal component is a spoken incantation. To provide a verbal component, you must be able to speak in a strong voice. A silence spell or a gag spoils the incantation (and thus the spell). a spellcaster who has been deafened has a 20% chance of spoiling any spell with a verbal component that he tries to cast.

Somatic (S)

A somatic component is a measured and precise movement of the hand. You must have at least one hand free to provide a somatic component.

Material (M)

A material component consists of one or more physical substances or objects that are annihilated by the spell energies in the casting process. Unless a cost is given for a material component, the cost is negligible. Don’t bother to keep track of material components with negligible cost. Assume you have all you need as long as you have your spell component pouch.

Focus (F)

A focus component is a prop of some sort. Unlike a material component, a focus is not consumed when the spell is cast and can be reused. As with material components, the cost for a focus is negligible unless a price is given. Assume that focus components of negligible cost are in your spell component pouch.

Divine Focus (DF)

A divine focus component is an item of spiritual significance. The divine focus for a cleric or a paladin is a holy symbol appropriate to the character’s faith. The divine focus for a druid or a ranger is a sprig of holly, or some other sacred plant.

If the Components line includes F/DF or M/DF, the arcane version of the spell has a focus component or a material component (the abbreviation before the slash) and the divine version has a divine focus component (the abbreviation after the slash).


Even in the case of an expensive component (save something like a demiplane focus where you want to keep the rod to get back there later), the cost isnt part of the spell. Think of it as the writer needing it just to put the spell on the scroll and then just holding on to the focus for themselves while the scroll user just reads the scroll and it works.

The Concordance

Yes. I checkded in the GMG random magic item chapter, the examples(such as sepia snake sigil) do not include the expensive Focus price.

The Exchange

Depends on what you mean by "price."

The listed price of a scroll does not include the cost of the focus component. It is also not listed in the construction cost, but it is required that the creator have the focus.

Example: Create pit requires a focus of a miniature shovel worth 10 gp.
- If you want to craft a scroll of create pit you need 75 gp of materials. You also need the miniature shovel, but it is not consumed during the creation.
- If you want to buy a scroll of create pit you will pay 150 gp. The creator doesn't charge you for the shovel because he still has it.

NOTE: Although not called out in the rules, I require that if you are buying a scroll with a very personalized focus component, you have to pay for the focus component. For example contingency has a focus component of "ivory statuette of you worth 1,500 gp." You would have to specially commission such a scroll, and the creator would have to have acquired a statuette of you. To head off a rules argument I will again say that I know it's not called out in the rules as such. But it's crazy to think that a crafter would willingly spend a day or two making that scroll of contingency just to take a 675 gp loss because the rules don't account for it.

Spoiler:
Of course, I also allow you to keep the focus component in such situations. So if you go to another city and need to buy another scroll of contingency you can just hand over the same statuette to that city's wizard crafter to use as a focus

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