How much does a Standard Grade Cold Iron Light Bulk Weapon cost?

[Rakshara of the Flame]

Using references from AoN:

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Precious Materials - https://2e.aonprd.com/Rules.aspx?ID=731

The Price entry for each material gives the Price of a simple non-magical item made of that material, based on its Bulk (if the item is lighter than 1 Bulk, use the price for 1 Bulk), as well as Prices for different amounts of the material itself. Prices for armor, shields, and weapons made of precious material are in the Armor (page 555), Shields (page 586), and Weapons (page 599) sections of this chapter.

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Cold Iron - https://2e.aonprd.com/Equipment.aspx?ID=272

Price 250 gp (per Bulk)

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Cold Iron Weapons - https://2e.aonprd.com/Equipment.aspx?ID=375

Price 880 gp (+88 gp per Bulk)

A Light Mace is Light Bulk. In general, one through nine Light counts as Zero Bulk, ten Light counts as One Bulk.

Does a Standard Grade Cold Iron Light Mace cost 880 GP (880 + 0*88), applying the general Bulk Rules, or 968 GP (880 + 0*88), applying the special case of the Precious Materials '(if the item is lighter than 1 Bulk, use the price for 1 Bulk)'?

Obviously a Standard Grade Cold Iron Weapon is more expensive than a Standard Grade Cold Iron Smith's Hammer - the latter is probably 250 GP, maybe 500 GP, while a Mace (bulk 1) would be 968. Where does that leave the Light Mace?

[Cordell Kintner]

The base price is for an item of 1 Bulk or less. The additional cost is for each additional bulk beyond that.

[Laran]

RAW - We do not know the answer and so is GM discretion. Good question since the line about using 1 bulk as the lower limit is in the simple item section and DOES NOT appear in the weapons section. The CRB states that weapons have a different set of cost/manufacture rules from simple items (p578) without discussing any carryover of rules. Indeed, it has a specific example in the weapon section that 10 pieces of ammunition do NOT use any additional bulk whatsoever which contradicts that simple item rule of 1 bulk being the lowest amount.

[Taja the Barbarian]

The 'General Rule' for Precious Materials is to use the 1 Bulk cost as a minimum:

Chapter 11: Crafting & Treasure / Materials / Precious Materials wrote:

Source Core Rulebook pg. 577 2.0

Materials with the precious trait can be substituted for base materials. For example, a hammer’s head could be made of adamantine instead of iron. Items made of a precious material cost more than typical items; not only does precious material cost more, but the crafter must invest more time working with it. In addition, more powerful items require precious materials of greater purity. A number of precious materials are described below. The Price entry for each material gives the Price of a simple non-magical item made of that material, based on its Bulk (if the item is lighter than 1 Bulk, use the price for 1 Bulk), as well as Prices for different amounts of the material itself. Prices for armor, shields, and weapons made of precious material are in the Armor (page 555), Shields (page 586), and Weapons (page 599) sections of this chapter.

Since the Precious Material Weapons do not give a specific exception, the general rule seems to apply here and you'll need to pay 968g for a cold iron (standard grade) light mace.

Cordell Kintner wrote:

The base price is for an item of 1 Bulk or less. The additional cost is for each additional bulk beyond that.

No, I haven't seen anything indicating the '+x gp per bulk' formula doesn't count the first bulk of the weapon: A one bulk weapon made of standard grade cold iron should cost 880g + (88g x 1 bulk) = 968g.

[Laran]

Taja the Barbarian wrote:

The 'General Rule' for Precious Materials is to use the 1 Bulk cost as a minimum:

Chapter 11: Crafting & Treasure / Materials / Precious Materials wrote:

Source Core Rulebook pg. 577 2.0

Materials with the precious trait can be substituted for base materials. For example, a hammer’s head could be made of adamantine instead of iron. Items made of a precious material cost more than typical items; not only does precious material cost more, but the crafter must invest more time working with it. In addition, more powerful items require precious materials of greater purity. A number of precious materials are described below. The Price entry for each material gives the Price of a simple non-magical item made of that material, based on its Bulk (if the item is lighter than 1 Bulk, use the price for 1 Bulk), as well as Prices for different amounts of the material itself. Prices for armor, shields, and weapons made of precious material are in the Armor (page 555), Shields (page 586), and Weapons (page 599) sections of this chapter.

Since the Precious Material Weapons do not give a specific exception, the general rule seems to apply here and you'll need to pay 968g for a cold iron (standard grade) light mace.

However, it is quite reasonable to interpret the 1 bulk rule as SPECIFIC to simple items and therefore NOT generalizable. The rule is in the simple item section and the CRB explicitly states that weapons follow different rules

[Taja the Barbarian]

Laran wrote:

Taja the Barbarian wrote:

The 'General Rule' for Precious Materials is to use the 1 Bulk cost as a minimum:

Chapter 11: Crafting & Treasure / Materials / Precious Materials wrote:

Source Core Rulebook pg. 577 2.0

Materials with the precious trait can be substituted for base materials. For example, a hammer’s head could be made of adamantine instead of iron. Items made of a precious material cost more than typical items; not only does precious material cost more, but the crafter must invest more time working with it. In addition, more powerful items require precious materials of greater purity. A number of precious materials are described below. The Price entry for each material gives the Price of a simple non-magical item made of that material, based on its Bulk (if the item is lighter than 1 Bulk, use the price for 1 Bulk), as well as Prices for different amounts of the material itself. Prices for armor, shields, and weapons made of precious material are in the Armor (page 555), Shields (page 586), and Weapons (page 599) sections of this chapter.

Since the Precious Material Weapons do not give a specific exception, the general rule seems to apply here and you'll need to pay 968g for a cold iron (standard grade) light mace.

However, it is quite reasonable to interpret the 1 bulk rule as SPECIFIC to simple items and therefore NOT generalizable. The rule is in the simple item section and the CRB explicitly states that weapons follow different rules

Given the complete lack of any other guidance on this pricing issue, I'd go with the 'minimum 1 bulk' rule for all precious material items pricing: It's the only rule we have to work with...

[Zapp]

I'd go with 968 gp too.

More importantly, the difference between 880 and 880+88 isn't very significant. So if you're going with 880 gp for light weapons, okay whatever.

However, if your answer is anything below 880 gp for anything that can be used as a combat weapon, you are simply barking up the wrong tree.