Contradiction in Vigilante Dedication

[Martijn Van Alphen]

Quote 1 from the Vigilante Dedication Feat: "You can use social feats only while in your social identity."

Quote 2 from the Vigilante Dedication Feat: "If your identity is exposed to the public, you lose the benefits of Vigilante Dedication to disguising yourself, but you can otherwise use both social and vigilante abilities in either identity unless they rely on your identity being a secret."

Quote from the Social Purview Feat: "Using these feats in your social identity doesn't risk exposing your vigilante identity, but using them in your vigilante identity could put you at risk for exposure."

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Quote 1 states clearly that feats with the Social Trait cannot be used while in your vigilante identity.

Quote 2 seems to provide a situation where you CAN use feats with the Social Trait while in your vigilante identity.

Quote 3 seems to state that the feats chosen under the Social Purview Feat CAN be used in your vigilante identity, despite them having the Social Trait; you merely risk exposure.

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Is there any clarity or precedent as to how this interaction should be interpreted?

[Quandary]

I think most reasonable interpretation is that Quote should be read as "You can FREELY use social feats only while in your social identity" i.e. free of risk of exposure. Otherwise Social Feats can be used in Vigilante mode, and Vigilante Feats can be used in social mode, but with risk of exposure. That is least alteration that allows all to be coherent, and is easily explained as poor choice of words or editing that didn't capture precise subtlety.

[Cordell Kintner]

Social Purview is not a Social Feat, so it's not limited. Social Feats have the Social trait. Yes, there's only one right now, but this was for future proofing.

The feat just adds in the additional possible ramifications of using the dedication feats granted by this feat in your Vigilante form. You can still make use of the additional Dedication freely.

As for part two of your post, once your identity is revealed you can make use of any feats you have freely, unless they rely on you not being found out yet. If someone identifies Bruce Wayne as Batman, he can start slinging batarangs as Bruce Wayne with no issues, since keeping his identity a secret is no longer a concern.

[Squiggit]

Cordell Kintner wrote:

Social Purview is not a Social Feat, so it's not limited. Social Feats have the Social trait.

While true, Social Purview adds the Social trait to the feat you take with it.

[The Raven Black]

I guess the first one should be "You can use social feats without fear of exposure only while in your social identity"

[Cordell Kintner]

Squiggit wrote:

Cordell Kintner wrote:

Social Purview is not a Social Feat, so it's not limited. Social Feats have the Social trait.

While true, Social Purview adds the Social trait to the feat you take with it.

Welp I completely missed that line.

Looks like it's just an issue with development. Either the feat was made early in development and the restrictions changed later without updating it, or the person who wrote the feat misunderstood the restrictions placed on social abilities, and it wasn't caught in proofreading.

[Exton Land]

So for Vigilante's there are the Social Feats and the Vigilante Feats.

If you're in your social identity, you can use your social feats without restriction. You could use vigilante feats in your social persona, but you risk exposing your secret identity.

So what happens if your secret identity (batman) is exposed to the public? Well now you can use any feats so long as they don't require your identity as batman being secret. For instance, lets say you're in your social identity as Bruce Wayne Reynolds. Normally Quick draw couldn't be used without blowing your identity. But if everyone knew you were Batman already, they'd not bat an eye at it, and you could use it without restriction or possibility of exposing your secret.

Social Purview applies ONLY to the dedication feats. There's nothing which discusses Vigilante feats. In the example provided in the book, a Fighter Vigilante who chooses Wizard as a social purview could cast cantrips without exposing their secret identity. Trying to use Quick draw however would still expose them.

[Martijn Van Alphen]

So the consensus seems to be that Quote 1 is incorrect. You CAN use feats with the Social Trait while in your vigilante personality, but they simply risk you getting exposed?