Starting languages

[Thomas Keller]

Can half-orcs and half-elves choose orcish or elven for their starting language? Can changeling and dhampir humans choose aklo or necril?

[Gary Bush]

For orcish and elven, yes as those languages are common.

I don't see access for the other two being granted by the ancestry. Access could be granted by another source.

[Thomas Keller]

They're versatile heritages, not ancestries. I didn't know if you could choose them as your 1 starting language.

[Gary Bush]

That will teach me to be using my phone...

I mis-spoke than. I don't see anything in the versatile heritage that provides access to the uncommon languages of Aklo or Necril.

This does not mean that access can't be gained from some other means like home region, background, class, feat, etc.

[Nefreet]

Aklo is the Uncommon language of "Deros, evil fey, otherworldly monsters". Changelings are the children of hags.

Necril is the Uncommon language of "Ghouls, intelligent undead". Dhampir are humanoids.

While it could certainly be thematic for a Changeling to learn Aklo (or a Dhampir to learn Necril) via something like the Multilingual feat, I don't see evidence anywhere that those languages are innate to those Heritages.

[Thomas Keller]

Nefreet wrote:

Aklo is the Uncommon language of "Deros, evil fey, otherworldly monsters". Changelings are the children of hags.

Necril is the Uncommon language of "Ghouls, intelligent undead". Dhampir are humanoids.

While it could certainly be thematic for a Changeling to learn Aklo (or a Dhampir to learn Necril) via something like the Multilingual feat, I don't see evidence anywhere that those languages are innate to those Heritages.

Hags are evil fey. Vampires are intelligent undead.

[TwilightKnight]

Hag is not the same as changling
Vampire is not the same as dhampir
I understand your thinking, but that’s not how rarity and access work

[Nefreet]

Thomas Keller wrote:

Nefreet wrote:

Aklo is the Uncommon language of "Deros, evil fey, otherworldly monsters". Changelings are the children of hags.

Necril is the Uncommon language of "Ghouls, intelligent undead". Dhampir are humanoids.

While it could certainly be thematic for a Changeling to learn Aklo (or a Dhampir to learn Necril) via something like the Multilingual feat, I don't see evidence anywhere that those languages are innate to those Heritages.

Hags are evil fey. Vampires are intelligent undead.

And that's why I said it would certainly be thematic for Changelings and Dhampirs to learn those languages. Changelings are not evil fey, nor is every Changeling reared by a Hag. Dhampirs are not intelligent undead, nor is every Dhampir reared by a Vampire.

[Thomas Keller]

Nefreet wrote:

Thomas Keller wrote:

Nefreet wrote:

Aklo is the Uncommon language of "Deros, evil fey, otherworldly monsters". Changelings are the children of hags.

Necril is the Uncommon language of "Ghouls, intelligent undead". Dhampir are humanoids.

While it could certainly be thematic for a Changeling to learn Aklo (or a Dhampir to learn Necril) via something like the Multilingual feat, I don't see evidence anywhere that those languages are innate to those Heritages.

Hags are evil fey. Vampires are intelligent undead.

And that's why I said it would certainly be thematic for Changelings and Dhampirs to learn those languages. Changelings are not evil fey, nor is every Changeling reared by a Hag. Dhampirs are not intelligent undead, nor is every Dhampir reared by a Vampire.

You could say exactly the same thing about half-elves and half-orcs.

[Gary Bush]

Thomas, please don't go down this road.

The difference is that orcish and elven are common languages.

An answer has been given. I, for one, don't mind being proven wrong and I admit when I am wrong.

So go prove us wrong about access to those uncommon languages.

[Nefreet]

Thomas Keller wrote:

Nefreet wrote:

Thomas Keller wrote:

Nefreet wrote:

Aklo is the Uncommon language of "Deros, evil fey, otherworldly monsters". Changelings are the children of hags.

Necril is the Uncommon language of "Ghouls, intelligent undead". Dhampir are humanoids.

While it could certainly be thematic for a Changeling to learn Aklo (or a Dhampir to learn Necril) via something like the Multilingual feat, I don't see evidence anywhere that those languages are innate to those Heritages.

Hags are evil fey. Vampires are intelligent undead.

And that's why I said it would certainly be thematic for Changelings and Dhampirs to learn those languages. Changelings are not evil fey, nor is every Changeling reared by a Hag. Dhampirs are not intelligent undead, nor is every Dhampir reared by a Vampire.

You could say exactly the same thing about half-elves and half-orcs.

I actually cannot, because on the same page that tells us who speaks Aklo and Necril, we find:

Elven is the Common language of "Elves, half-elves".

Orcish is the Common language of "Orcs, half-orcs".

[Thomas Keller]

Gary Bush wrote:

Thomas, please don't go down this road.

The difference is that orcish and elven are common languages.

An answer has been given. I, for one, don't mind being proven wrong and I admit when I am wrong.

So go prove us wrong about access to those uncommon languages.

I don't know what "road" you think I'm going down? I totally accept your answer. I just found Nefreet's reasoning faulty.

[Nefreet]

Can you elaborate, so I do not make the same mistake next time?

[Gary Bush]

Thomas Keller wrote:

Gary Bush wrote:

Thomas, please don't go down this road.

The difference is that orcish and elven are common languages.

An answer has been given. I, for one, don't mind being proven wrong and I admit when I am wrong.

So go prove us wrong about access to those uncommon languages.

I don't know what "road" you think I'm going down? I totally accept your answer. I just found Nefreet's reasoning faulty.

I have found that most of the time Nefreet's reasoning fairly reasonable. But don't tell him that.

The road I was cautioning about was challenging Nefreet without having your ducks in a row.

[Nefreet]

Literally just spit my coffee ^_^

[Thomas Keller]

I love it when a plan comes together!