Updated Summon Creature Requirements Table

[Allen Antoine]

In the Alien Archive there are class requirements for some creatures in the summon creatures tables. As this book came out before the Character Operations Manual, witchwarpers are not listed on this chart.

Do witchwarpers count as mystics or technomancers for the purposes of this chart or is there an updated chart somewhere that includes them?

[Xenocrat]

No, there's no update for this and I wouldn't expect one. Neither the robot nor first world beast lines up with the witchwarper's theme and if they haven't added more specific creature summons in AA2 and AA3 (and don't in the upcoming AA4) I think we can safely say they've abandoned supporting or updating this aspect of the game. Maybe in the hypothesized future magic book that the precog class might be in.

Also note that witchwarpers have a similar issue with polymorph - they don't get access to either of the class locked subtypes of construct or plant.

[Allen Antoine]

Xenocrat wrote:

No, there's no update for this and I wouldn't expect one. Neither the robot nor first world beast lines up with the witchwarper's theme and if they haven't added more specific creature summons in AA2 and AA3 (and don't in the upcoming AA4) I think we can safely say they've abandoned supporting or updating this aspect of the game. Maybe in the hypothesized future magic book that the precog class might be in.

Also note that witchwarpers have a similar issue with polymorph - they don't get access to either of the class locked subtypes of construct or plant.

I can express only disappointment that Paizo can't seemingly be bothered to update these kinds of things or provide input here.

As a homebrew solution, I'm just giving my witchwarper player access to everything on the list. It seems natural to me that a class whose main feature is blurring the lines between realities should not be limited in which realities they can pull allies from.

[Metaphysician]

I can't help but give my universal reply to such questions: "Talk to your GM, its their job to cover edge cases like this".

Yes, I know the inevitable answer is "But Society play!" This is why I increasingly dislike Society as a concept, it is founded on assumptions that simply do not apply in the real world and the pursuit thereof actively harms the game.

[Xenocrat]

The real sadness will be when the nanocyte and precog are published without any training interface modules.

[C4M3R0N]

Reminds me of the word casting option from PF (amongst many other things lol).
Unless a system is robust enough to allow it nearly infinite scalability, it seems abandoned quickly. Sadly.
Though with that scalability, potentially comes power creep. Polymorph gets "stronger" every time another race, or even creature with "poachable" abilities, is publish. But because of this, it doesn't need to be updated like a summoning list or a spell word list does.

I certainly hope to future updates to things like these. TIM, symbiote options, summon lists, etc.