Cleric Archetypes: Ecclesitheurge and Herald Caller Compatible?

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

Greetings all,

I'm planning a cleric for an upcoming campaign and I'm trying to figure out if the Ecclesitheurge and Herald Caller can be taken together or if that's a rules no-no.

Specifically, a Herald Caller can choose only one domain from her deity’s list of domains, rather than the normal two domains, and she doesn’t gain proficiency with medium armor or shields.

For an Ecclesitheurge, they're proficient with the club, dagger, heavy crossbow, light crossbow, and quarterstaff, but not proficient with any type of armor or shield. This replaces the cleric’s weapon and armor proficiencies.

Also, for the Ecclesitheurge, at 1st level, they designate domain one as their primary and the other as their secondary; they can use their non-domain spell slots to prepare spells from their primary domain’s spell list.

I think the domain selection requirements are different enough between the two archetypes to be legal, but I'm not sure about the armor/weap proficiencies.

Is it a problem if both archetypes strip medium armor, shields, etc?

Thanks in advance!

[David knott 242]

The archetypes are incompatible because they both modify armor proficiencies and they both modify domains. There is no way to subdivide the changes so that they don't overlap.

[Skrayper]

RAW - no. Once an ability is altered by an archetype, a second archetype cannot be selected that alters the same ability.

There are two abilities they both alter:
Weapon and Armor proficiencies
Domains

The first one you could possibly get away with, as dual classing to fighter would give you way more proficiencies anyway. You still are limited in what you can and cannot do with those proficiencies per the Ecclesitheurge archetype. So you'd be able to use the armor, but you'd still lose all powers associated with that archetype if you did.

Domains is trickier. Ecclesitheurge has a power that basically demands that you have a second domain (your secondary one) that you can switch over to other domains for their spell lists. The Herald Caller sacrifices a domain, meaning there is no longer a secondary one to swap out for spell lists. If your GM allowed it, you'd be sacrificing one of the Ecclesitheurge's main abilities.

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He does not lose access to his actual secondary domain’s granted powers or gain access to the other domain’s granted powers. For example, an ecclesitheurge with Glory as his primary domain and Good as his secondary domain can choose to gain access to the Healing domain; until the next time he prepares spells, he uses the Healing domain spell list as his secondary domain spell list instead of the Good domain spell list, but still keeps the granted powers of the Good domain and does not gain the granted powers of the Healing domain.

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

interesting....much to ponder.

I appreciate the insights!