Area effects with targeting vs concealed flat check


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Effects that targets something concealed from you is subject to the DC 5 flat check to determine if it affects the target at all. However, area effects aren’t subject to this flat check.

How does this interaction work out if an area effect also has targeting involved?

Rebuke Death, for example, is an emanation area effect but also prompts the user to choose specific targets.

Heal and Harm's 3-action versions are emanation but "targets all living and undead creatures in the burst/area." Does the lack of choice for targets make a difference here?

Glitterdust is a purely ranged area effect spell. It only uses the word target to indicate the variable effects on affected creatures. This, in particular, made me think it's implied all affected creatures or whatever by area effects are all technically targets of that effect. But I think specific over general is what makes this work out because area effects are specifically not subject to the flat check.


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If a spell affects everyone in its area like Glotterdust or 3 action Heal/Harm, you don't need to roll a flat check.

If a spell affects only creatures of your choice in its area, it's a targeted effect and you need to succeed at the flat check to affect a concealed creature.


Sounds simple enough. Got too caught up with the word "target."

Thanks!

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