New Feats for Pathfinder Agents

[NemoNoName]

I was reading some of the new feats for the Pathfinder Agents. Two attracted my attention:
Remember Your Training

Spoiler:

During your training to become a Pathfinder Agent you were schooled on a wide variety of creatures you might encounter, and you can think back to that training to gain crucial insight in times of need. Attempt a check to Recall Knowledge about a creature you can see, adding your level as a proficiency bonus if you are untrained (rather than 0). If you roll a failure (but not a critical failure) on this check, you get a success instead.

Watch and Learn

Spoiler:

Pathfinder agents serve as members of diverse teams with complementary skill sets. You are practiced at following the example of a more skilled ally to accomplish a wide variety of tasks. For the next minute you can add your level as a proficiency bonus to the observed skill check, even though you are untrained. This does not allow you to attempt trained actions using that skill unless you would otherwise be able to do so.

They seem a bit weak, but hey, they do give you a way to use any skill at level as proficiency.

Except there's this sentence in one other feat:
When using a skill untrained, your proficiency bonus is equal to your level instead of 0.

Which other feat, you might ask? Why, it's the Pathfinder Agent Dedication, the prerequisite for taking the two other feats.

At least Remember Your Training gives you a little bit of bonus, treating Failure as Success, but Watch and Learn doesn't even have this little tiny bit.

[Amaya/Polaris]

This has started to be noted in this thread already, and it may be good to add to it. I can't check at the moment, but I think there was also an added Spellmaster feat which didn't notice the dedication already gives a bonus to identify spells, and a Swordmaster feat which didn't know that the dedication gives a bonus to not be disarmed. It's strange that the same issue happened several times, makes me wonder what the process for adding to an archetype looks like.

[shroudb]

Remember your training is actually pretty dang good even with teh overlapping text.

upgrading failure to success is very rarely found in abilities.

plus, Recall for creatures gets progressively sronger, so even a dedicated character has problems using recall 2 or more times on a monster.

I was actually think of making a mastermind rogue with that feat just for the sheer power of having an almost at-will success on your recalls (which trigger stuff like making them flat footed or taking extra sneak damage)

[NemoNoName]

shroudb wrote:

Remember your training is actually pretty dang good even with teh overlapping text.

upgrading failure to success is very rarely found in abilities.

plus, Recall for creatures gets progressively sronger, so even a dedicated character has problems using recall 2 or more times on a monster.

I was actually think of making a mastermind rogue with that feat just for the sheer power of having an almost at-will success on your recalls (which trigger stuff like making them flat footed or taking extra sneak damage)

It's once a day.

[shroudb]

NemoNoName wrote:

shroudb wrote:

Remember your training is actually pretty dang good even with teh overlapping text.

upgrading failure to success is very rarely found in abilities.

plus, Recall for creatures gets progressively sronger, so even a dedicated character has problems using recall 2 or more times on a monster.

I was actually think of making a mastermind rogue with that feat just for the sheer power of having an almost at-will success on your recalls (which trigger stuff like making them flat footed or taking extra sneak damage)

It's once a day.

...dang, i totally missed that.

well, it seemed TOO good to be true^^

[Shisumo]

NemoNoName wrote:

I was reading some of the new feats for the Pathfinder Agents. Two attracted my attention:

Remember Your Training
** spoiler omitted **

Watch and Learn
** spoiler omitted **

They seem a bit weak, but hey, they do give you a way to use any skill at level as proficiency.

Except there's this sentence in one other feat:
When using a skill untrained, your proficiency bonus is equal to your level instead of 0.

Which other feat, you might ask? Why, it's the Pathfinder Agent Dedication, the prerequisite for taking the two other feats.

At least Remember Your Training gives you a little bit of bonus, treating Failure as Success, but Watch and Learn doesn't even have this little tiny bit.

Michael Sayre, the Org Play Developer, has already been made aware and passed the flag up the chain.