Grappling while Grappled


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Hey,

So, I ended up with a bit of a pickle in my last session. A winged beast had the ability to swipe with its talons and, if hit, grapple the creature. A player then had the idea to grapple back. So he's still got the grabbed condition and he's going to stay in it (key as he's about 50 feet up, weird how fall damage is kind of a joke in this edition), but he wants to grapple back and impose the grabbed condition on this flying beast. This lead to a bit of a bizarre thing specifically because he was grappling a bird, and because being grappled would immobilise the bird (thus making it fall next turn if it is unable to escape and flap its wings).

I just wanted to fish for people's takes for grappling while grappled, if possible and what the outcome is. It is a point of some discomfort, but I'm fine with proven wrong; even if it means I can just make the snap call and just keep the session moving.


I see no reason to prevent it. And yea, they would fall, but I see no issue.

If he is restrained, he cannot grapple back. But regular grabbed does not prevent grabbing.


If you need a way to narratively justify this, your player grabbed onto the creature's wing, stopping it from being able to flap freely. It absolutely works in play and is a valid strategy to stop himself from getting dropped out of the air...well, alone at least.


I figured as much, as I was looking at the rules and talking to the players. There's nothing mechanically nor narratively stopping the process, but does seem a bit weird in a way I can't put my finger on.

Thank you.

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