So, casting a spell from a wand says that 'To cast a spell from a wand, it must be on your spell list.'
I can think of a couple of different interpretations of that. Anything from 'a spell that you are able to cast yourself tomorrow if you decide to', to 'any spell that you might possibly be able to cast if you retrained your character'.
Prior to APG I was using the interpretation that it would be any spell on the spell list of your casting tradition that you have access to. So any common primal spell for a Druid, or any common divine spell plus the handful of uncommon spells that a particular Cleric knows.
Where it gets a bit tricky is with the Witch. They can pick up spells from other traditions from Lesson feats. Now a divine tradition Witch can learn Mage Armor, Sleep, and Hydraulic Push. So are those spells now 'on your spell list' and can be cast from wands or scrolls? I don't see anywhere that it says that it is added to your spell list. But it seems silly that it wouldn't be. The Lesson feats add the spells to your spells known, so is that the same thing as putting them on 'your spell list'?
If learning a spell is the same as putting it 'on your spell list', does that mean that your spell list is only the spells that you actually know instead of all the spells of your tradition? Am I just delusional in thinking that you can get a scroll or a wand of a spell that you don't actually know in order to cast the spell from the item? i.e., could a Sorcerer with primal spell tradition cast a scroll of Hydraulic Push if they don't actually have Hydraulic Push on their spell repertoire?
Hmm... Reading through the rest of the paragraphs on Magical Tradition.
In some cases, such as when a cleric gains spells from their deity or when a sorcerer gets spells from their bloodline, you might be able to cast spells from a different spell list. In these cases, the spell uses your magic tradition, not the list the spell normally comes from.
A witch learning spells from a Lesson feat would be right in line with the examples given. So would that be adding the spell to 'your spell list'? It doesn't explicitly say so, but that seems to be the intent. It does explicitly say that a Witch of primal tradition casting Mage Armor would be casting a non-standard primal tradition version of Mage Armor.
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I think the interpretation relies on one's view of spell lists:
Are they unalterable monoliths, objective or are they personalized to each spellcaster, subjective?
I'd vote subjective because if a person's casting a spell regularly, it seems a bit silly to say it's not on that caster's list of spells (even if the spell's not in that caster's tradition).
But that's just a vote. I could see coming from the other direction, it just doesn't convince me.
Yeah. Seems really strange that my example Witch could create a wand with Mage Armor, but then not be able to cast the spell from it.
But on the other hand, I can't see any definitive rules that say that it is added to the spell list either.
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I think the section on magical traditions covers this.
MAGICAL TRADITIONS
Spellcasters cast spells from one of four different spell lists, each representing a different magical tradition: arcane, divine, occult, and primal.
Your class determines which tradition of magic your spells use. In some cases, such as when a cleric gains spells from their deity or when a sorcerer gets spells from their bloodline, you might be able to cast spells from a different spell list. In these cases, the spell uses your magic tradition, not the list the spell normally comes from. When you cast a spell, add your tradition’s trait to the spell.
Some types of magic, such as that of most magic items, don’t belong to any single tradition. These have the magical trait instead of a tradition trait.
So the spells gained from your Lessons gain the trait for your tradition. As far as I can tell, the tradition traits define which spell lists the spell is on. So you should be able to use those wands.
Something that you literally know. But not necessary have prepared.
Something that you literally know. But not necessary have prepared.
So not able to cast spells from scrolls that you find as loot unless you also have the spell in your repertoire or in your spellbook (or whatever passes for your spellbook).
Divine casters can use any scroll that is a divine spell, even if it is not in the repertoire. [It is in the Divine Spell List].
Arcane can use any spell that is arcane.
Primal can use any spell that is primal, etc.
So a primal Witch that learns a primal version of Mage Armor because of a Lesson would have Mage Armor on their spell list?
And would be able to use a scroll of Jump even if it wasn't on their personal list of spells known (known by the familiar) since Jump is a primal spell?
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Divine casters can use any scroll that is a divine spell, even if it is not in the repertoire. [It is in the Divine Spell List].
Arcane can use any spell that is arcane.
Primal can use any spell that is primal, etc.So a primal Witch that learns a primal version of Mage Armor because of a Lesson would have Mage Armor on their spell list?
And would be able to use a scroll of Jump even if it wasn't on their personal list of spells known (known by the familiar) since Jump is a primal spell?
That is how I would rule it.
The second part is just correct, and the first is how I’d interpret “on your spell list” as including spells you’ve learnt from other sources like a witch’s lesson or a Sorcerer’s bloodline.