Ranged Feints


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APG itroduced some options for using Feint from a distance, the two that come into mind are the Rogue Ricochet stance one and the Kobolt ancestry feat.

Particulary the rogue one seems like it's intended to allow you to feint from range to sneak attack with your thrown weapons that the stance is all about, but i'm assuming the same stands for the kobolt one as well.

the feats in question:
rogue:
While in Ricochet Stance, you can bounce a thrown weapon off a foe to distract them. You can attempt a Feint against a creature within the first range increment of a thrown weapon you are wielding, rather than only creatures within your melee reach.

kobold:
With obsequious words and begging gestures, you convince your foe you're less of a threat. You attempt to Feint against a creature. Unlike a normal Feint, the creature can be within 30 feet instead of in your melee reach, and you make your check against its Will DC instead of its Perception DC.

in both cases, the bolded part allows you to negate the required condition of "being in melee range to feint"

but the problem is that Feint not only has that required condition, but the success is also only for melee strikes.

so, in the end, per RAW, even though you can Feint from distance, you can't actually benefit from that distance from that feint.

Feint:
With a misleading flourish, you leave an opponent unprepared for your real attack. Attempt a Deception check against that opponent’s Perception DC.

Critical Success You throw your enemy’s defenses against you entirely off. The target is flat-footed against melee attacks that you attempt against it until the end of your next turn.
Success Your foe is fooled, but only momentarily. The target is flat-footed against the next melee attack that you attempt against it before the end of your current turn.
Critical Failure Your feint backfires. You are flat-footed against melee attacks the target attempts against you until the end of your next turn.

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I feel like this is unintended and errata worthy.

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