Traits and Archetypes mixing


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I was looking at the Summoner, specifically the God Caller archetype, which modifies life link to be within 50' before dropping to 50% max health.

However, there is also the Trait Greater Link, which states that life link is modified to be 110' for 50% health and 1100' for 75%.

RAW, would this completely eliminate the negative effect of the archetype? Or is this trait and archetype just incompatible?

I think RAI the trait should be reworded to be something like "the distance thresholds for your eidolon's max life as per the life link feature are increased by 10%."


RAW stuff like this is incompatible. You can't take both the trait and archetype. Paizo made a very clear statement that even if there is an obvious way to make archetypes and stuff modifying the same class feature stack, you can't stack it.

RAI, I'd say 10% bonus to range.


There is nothing in the rules that prevents you from taking the trait and the archetype. The non-stacking rule for modifying class abilities only applies when it comes to stacking multiple archetypes (I mean there's tons of feats that modify class abilities and they are compatible with archetypes as long as you still possess the relevant class ability and traits are just mini-feats). However, because of the way each are written one would overwrite the other. Though it's not clear to me which would have precedence.

My inclination is that the archetype would overwrite the trait unless the trait was gained via the extra traits feat. Since traits are picked at 1st level and aren't class dependent. Meaning you can take this trait even if you're not a summoner. But I could easily see an argument claiming the opposite.

I agree that in this case it makes more sense to apply the intent which would just increase the distances from the archetype by 10%.

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