True Shapeshifter duration clarification


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Pathfinder Lost Omens, Rulebook Subscriber

Hey folks,

One of my players is plotting out a druid build for a high level game we're planning, and I want to run a clarification by you lot.

Contention:

The True Shapeshifter druid capstone feat, when paired with Perfect Form Control, means that as long as they stay in a form of a N-2 (8th level) Wildshape, they can stay Wildshaped forever. Since all durations within the level bounds would be permanent, they can then spend two actions to keep changing form without the need to spend any additional focus points, the duration permanent throughout.

Yay or Nay?


Lets see...

Form Control states:

"With additional care and effort, you can take on an alternate form for a longer period of time. If your next action is to cast wild shape, wild shape’s spell level is 2 lower than normal (minimum 1st level), but you can remain transformed for up to 1 hour or the listed duration (whichever is longer). You can still Dismiss the form at any time, as permitted by the spell."

Perfect Form Control states:

"Thanks to magic and muscle memory, you can stay in your alternate forms indefinitely; you may have even forgotten your original form. When you use Form Control, instead of lasting 1 hour, wild shape is permanent until you Dismiss it."

So we combine these two, and we get that for a 20th level Druid, if they spend an action to use Form Control, their subsequent Wild Shape is cast as an 8th level spell, and the duration is infinite until dismissed.

And then we have True Shapeshifter, which states:

"You transcend the limitations of form. While under the effects of wild shape, you can change into any other form on your wild shape list; if the durations of the forms would vary, use the shorter of the two durations.

Once per day, you can transform into a kaiju, with the effects of nature incarnate; if you have Plant Shape, you can instead transform into a green man."

So I think the answer is Yay, as long as you stay in a form under 8th level Wild Shape, you can change at will and they'll be permanent. Which I think covers everything except Heightened Monstrosity Form.

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