I generally adore how this game system works, but one point has been irking me. The size categories end at Gargantuan - which by itself would be fine, even if it were a little weird that a bunch of iconic monsters suddenly shrank down, but a specific rule has left me confused.
Gargantuan This size of creature takes up a space of at least 20 feet by 20 feet (16 squares on the grid), but can be much larger. Gargantuan creatures typically have a reach of 20 feet if they are tall, or 15 feet if they are long, but larger ones could have a much longer reach.
The phrase "can be much larger" is sticking to me. Are there creatures in the bestiary or in any of the APs that explicitly state they're to take up a greater than 20x20 space, or is it meant to be entirely left to GM discretion when handling a Gargantuan creature? I don't necessarily mind if it's the latter, I just feel like I'm missing something.
Thanks for your help =)
Yes, there are creatures bigger than that. There are creatures so big their exact dimensions are irrelevant because they wouldn't fit in a game board. There's an ooze in Bestiary 2 that looks to be the size of a city block.
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I generally adore how this game system works, but one point has been irking me. The size categories end at Gargantuan - which by itself would be fine, even if it were a little weird that a bunch of iconic monsters suddenly shrank down, but a specific rule has left me confused.
Gargantuan This size of creature takes up a space of at least 20 feet by 20 feet (16 squares on the grid), but can be much larger. Gargantuan creatures typically have a reach of 20 feet if they are tall, or 15 feet if they are long, but larger ones could have a much longer reach.
The phrase "can be much larger" is sticking to me. Are there creatures in the bestiary or in any of the APs that explicitly state they're to take up a greater than 20x20 space, or is it meant to be entirely left to GM discretion when handling a Gargantuan creature? I don't necessarily mind if it's the latter, I just feel like I'm missing something.
Thanks for your help =)
The creatures have not suddenly shrank down. Gargantuan is now the Size for any very very big creature ;-)
I generally adore how this game system works, but one point has been irking me. The size categories end at Gargantuan - which by itself would be fine, even if it were a little weird that a bunch of iconic monsters suddenly shrank down, but a specific rule has left me confused.
Gargantuan This size of creature takes up a space of at least 20 feet by 20 feet (16 squares on the grid), but can be much larger. Gargantuan creatures typically have a reach of 20 feet if they are tall, or 15 feet if they are long, but larger ones could have a much longer reach.
The phrase "can be much larger" is sticking to me. Are there creatures in the bestiary or in any of the APs that explicitly state they're to take up a greater than 20x20 space, or is it meant to be entirely left to GM discretion when handling a Gargantuan creature? I don't necessarily mind if it's the latter, I just feel like I'm missing something.
Thanks for your help =)
A Mu Spore for example is 10x10 rather than the typical 4x4.
Primal Form spell lets a PC be 30x30.
Primal Form spell lets a PC be 30x30.
I can't seem to find that spell. Is it not on AoN yet?
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Primal Form spell lets a PC be 30x30.I can't seem to find that spell. Is it not on AoN yet?
I think he means the Kaiju Form from Nature Incarnate.
I just realized that the Green Man is Medium... WTF, I thought it was like the Green Giant.
Xenocrat means 30 feet by 30 feet, though.
A Mu Spore, by contrast, is 10x10 squares, i.e. 50 feet by 50 feet.