Deadly Simplicity Cleric Feat should be available to Champion Dedication Archetype

[singingzombies]

Something that has come up recently for one of my players. I have a PC who took Champion Dedication and is adjusting to 2E multiclassing changes. They expect to get some benefit regarding their Deity's Favored Weapon which is an unarmed attack.

Now since the Deific Weapon is a Champion Class Feature and not a Feat, there's no way for a player who took Champion Dedication to increase the Damage die of their Deity's Favored Simple Weapon or Unarmed attack.

Since Clerics can increase the damage die of their Deity's Favored Simple Weapon or Unarmed attack through a feat, Players who take Cleric Dedication do get access to this through the Cleric Feat Deadly Simplicity within the Cleric Multiclass Archetype options.

I think Champion Dedication Archetypes should also get access to a similar feat. Apologies if this was posted about before. I didn't see the topic among the threads and is an odd anomaly that I hope can get addressed in future content or errata.

[HumbleGamer]

Totally agree with you ( to me this is just an oversight ).

You could mimic the cleric and homerule it as a basic paladin feat ( lvl 4 ).

[singingzombies]

I agree. It's a straightforward houserule fix. I mostly posted to hopefully bring visibility to Paizo so it's addressed in a future release or errata.

[Aratorin]

Even an actual Champion doesn't increase the size of their Unarmed Attack Die. Deific Weapon only works on Weapons. Unarmed Attacks are not Weapons. Deadly Simplicity has a rider specifically dealing with Unarmed Attacks. Deific Weapon does not.

The only classes that increase the Die Size of their Unarmed Attacks are Cleric and Monk.

The Champion Dedication is already one of the best Dedications in terms of what you get. It doesn't need more stuff.

[HumbleGamer]

Aratorin wrote:

Even an actual Champion doesn't increase the size of their Unarmed Attack Die. Deific Weapon only works on Weapons. Unarmed Attacks are not Weapons. Deadly Simplicity has a rider specifically dealing with Unarmed Attacks. Deific Weapon does not.

The only classes that increase the Die Size of their Unarmed Attacks are Cleric and Monk.

The Champion Dedication is already one of the best Dedications in terms of what you get. It doesn't need more stuff.

Actually, it does.

Quote:

You zealously bear your deity’s favored weapon. If it’s uncommon, you gain access to it. If it’s an unarmed attack with a d4 damage die or a simple weapon, increase the damage die by one step (d4 to d6, d6 to d8, d8 to d10, d10 to d12)

https://2e.aonprd.com/Classes.aspx?ID=4

Here's the errata link

https://paizo-images.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/image/download/PZO2101+Erra ta+1.0.pdf

Check it page 2

[Aratorin]

Curses, b*tch smacked by errata.

[singingzombies]

I don't think it should be a question of how good the Champion Dedication is. Deific Weapon is associated with the Champion Class Identity, and a player choice to have their character take on the Champion Dedication should have the options to feel more Champion-like. It should be able to be balanced as a Feat option to take as it only affects Simple Weapons. The level of the Feat can be balanced if there is a power-level concern. Flurry of Blows and Inspire Courage are both high-level archetype feat options for those reasons.

I would hope that as 2E matures as a system, the player options increase so that customization increases to have players don't feel punished for progressing their feat choices in a direction that makes sense for their character. Multiclassing into Champion with no way to obtain a Champion Feature (or anything regarding their Deity's Favored Weapon) feels off.