Gargantuan space?


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So like colossals in 1e, while gargantuan sized creatures has minimum space amount on map, it can be larger than that:

"Gargantuan This size of creature takes up a space of at least 20 feet by 20 feet (16 squares on the grid), but can be much larger. Gargantuan creatures typically have a reach of 20 feet if they are tall, or 15 feet if they are long, but larger ones could have a much longer reach."

My problem here is... Umm, well, 2e bestiary entries don't list the space creatures take anyway, so how DO you know if gargantuan sized creature is larger than 20 by 20?

Leviathan in 1e was 100 by 100, so are we just supposed to assume every gargantuan creature is 20 by 20(even if in 1e they took more space) unless statblock specifies otherwise? Or is this up to GM?


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Creatures take up the default/minimum size for their listed size - unless their entry specifies other.

See the Mu Spore and its "Enourmous A mu spore is a massive creature and takes up a space of 10 squares by 10 squares (50 feet by 500 feet)" for an example.

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thenobledrake wrote:

Creatures take up the default/minimum size for their listed size - unless their entry specifies other.

See the Mu Spore and its "Enourmous A mu spore is a massive creature and takes up a space of 10 squares by 10 squares (50 feet by 500 feet)" for an example.

Ah oki, so that IS how it is... Thanks


thenobledrake wrote:

Creatures take up the default/minimum size for their listed size - unless their entry specifies other.

See the Mu Spore and its "Enourmous A mu spore is a massive creature and takes up a space of 10 squares by 10 squares (50 feet by 50 feet)" for an example.

Made me do a double take there.

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