Grey Paladins and the Fearless Aura Feat


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Can Grey Paladins take the Fearless Aura Feat? Their Aura of Courage is altered so they're no longer themselves fearless. (Seeing the Feat states it affects allies, I assume even if it can still be taken, the Grey Paladin still isn't fearless in this situation.)

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Gray paladin wrote:
Her aura of courage does not make her immune to fear, her aura of resolve does not make her immune to charms, and her aura of righteousness does not make her immune to compulsions.

From what I get, RAW she maintains the ability Aura of courage, even if with a reduced effect, so she can take the feat.

Again, RAW, a person is his own ally, so the effect of the feat will make the paladin fearless (not a fan of that interpretation, as I feel that there are situations where you and your allies should be treated differently, but we are speaking of RAW).

Personally I will not allow it because I am strongly against trading away partially or totally a class ability and then taking it back through some shenanigans, and I don't feel that someone that isn't fearless should be capable to give that bonus to others so easily.
My personal opinion notwithstanding, I think that RAW it work. To be 100% sure in your game ask your GM.


I think she can take the feat, and her allies will be immune to fear but she will not.

Normal Aura of courage: 10 foot aura, +4 to allies and you're immune.

Gray Paladin: Same but you're not immune.

Then

Normal Fearless Courage: 20 foot aura, everyone's immune.

Gray Paladin: Same but you're not immune.

Specific trumps general, so it depends on which you think is more specific: the archetype or the feat. Personally I go with the archetype.

However you think it works RAW you definitely want to check with your GM first. I'm usually on the side of player agency, but this smells of Camembert to me.


I'm the GM. I just like touching base to see what other GMs think so if there's any debate I can pull up the discussion and say "this is the general consensus"

Thank you for the input! I really appreciate it :)


They can certainly take the feat. I guess the question is how it affects the paladin. I think it’s fine to grant immunity to the paladin, in addition to their allies. Surely granting immunity to just one more character in the party isn’t a big deal. And it also feels off for the party to be immune to fear, while the guy emanating the aura of bravery isn’t immune to fear.


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You are your own ally, unless it would be "nonsensical". It would be a stretch to call this nonsensical, and you cannot help but be in the aura, so by RAW it works IMNSHO.

As GM, one could overrule that if it was overpowered, but I don't think it is really neccessary in this case. The feat is stronger for Grey Paladins, but Grey Paladins are pretty weak anyway, so this does not push them over the top.

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glass.


glass wrote:
The feat is stronger for Grey Paladins, but Grey Paladins are pretty weak anyway, so this does not push them over the top.

Yeah that's a good point.

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