Taking archetype or class feats in general feat slot.


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Can I take an archetype feat or a class feat in one if my general feat slots? For example, if my rogue wants to pick up minor magic in her next general feat slot, is that allowed?

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No.

Longer answer: there is no text anywhere letting you do it. You gain feats from your class, which says things like:

Rogue wrote:

Rogue Feats

At 1st level and every even-numbered level, you gain a rogue class feat.

(...)

General Feats 3rd
At 3rd level and every 4 levels thereafter, you gain a general feat. General feats are listed in Chapter 5.

So it specifically says what you get. There is no "rule against it" needed; you need a "rule for it" to be able to spend these feats on more class feats, and that rule doesn't exist.


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If you are a Human and didn’t take Natural Ambition at first level, you can take Ancestral Paragon as a General Feat to take Natural Ambition, turning a general feat into a class feat. But that’s really it. Feats have a power hierarchy. Class feats sit at the top, ancestry feats come next, the come general feats, and finally skill feats, which are a subset of general feats. Sure, you can take a skill feat with a General Feat choice, but the non-skill general feats are often stronger, so you really only do that when it’s important to your build.


First World Bard wrote:
If you are a Human and didn’t take Natural Ambition at first level, you can take Ancestral Paragon as a General Feat to take Natural Ambition, turning a general feat into a class feat. But that’s really it.

And even then you can only take a level 1 feat, meaning no archetype feats as they are all 4 or higher.

First World Bard wrote:
Feats have a power hierarchy. Class feats sit at the top, ancestry feats come next, the come general feats, and finally skill feats, which are a subset of general feats. Sure, you can take a skill feat with a General Feat choice, but the non-skill general feats are often stronger, so you really only do that when it’s important to your build.

I think of it as a series of buckets. At level 2 you can choose one feat from bucket A (class feats) and one from bucket B (skill feats).

General feats come from bucket C (general) which contain all of bucket B (skill feats), but bucket B does not include C.

You only get to pull from the specific bucket when it says to, otherwise you can't get in there.


"Applying an archetype requires you to select archetype feats instead of class feats. "

No has to be class feats


Hmm, okay. I wasn't sure if there was something I had missed. I built a new character that's going to have an archetype, and I was hoping I could use the general feats so I could get one ability I want without giving up the other class feat (Since this character really will have all the base feats for her skills pretty early, going to be a bit of a drought) and was thinking my rogue could go back and get minor magic. Ah well, I'll just have to go with it.

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