Attacking a Concealed / Hidden opponent.

[DomHeroEllis]

Okay I understand you need to roll Vs DC5 to attack a concealed opponent or Vs DC11 to attack a Hidden opponent, but

a)Is this roll made per round or per action.

b)If it is done per action, does MAP still apply to the later attacks if first/second is not allowed

c)If it applies per action, does it apply to both attacks of a Twin Takedown?

Thanks,
Dom

[Ascalaphus]

DomHeroEllis wrote:

Okay I understand you need to roll Vs DC5 to attack a concealed opponent or Vs DC11 to attack a Hidden opponent, but

a)Is this roll made per round or per action.

Per action. The DC 5 / 11 d20 roll replaces the 20%/50% miss chance of earlier editions.

DomHeroEllis wrote:

b)If it is done per action, does MAP still apply to the later attacks if first/second is not allowed

Yes, MAP gets worse for each attack you try, regardless of whether it hits.

DomHeroEllis wrote:

c)If it applies per action, does it apply to both attacks of a Twin Takedown?

Yes.

[Siro]

Just because I think this will be helpful=

Concealed
"While you are concealed from a creature, such as in a thick fog, you are difficult for that creature to see. You can still be observed, but you’re tougher to target. A creature that you’re concealed from must succeed at a DC 5 flat check when targeting you with an attack, spell, or other effect. Area effects aren’t subject to this flat check. If the check fails, the attack, spell, or effect doesn’t affect you."---Core Rule Book, Page 618}

Strike
"You attack with a weapon you’re wielding or with an unarmed attack, targeting one creature within your reach (for a melee attack) or within range (for a ranged attack)."---Core Rule Book, Page 471

A) The roll is made per targeted Attack, ie every time you target a creature with the 'Strike' action. Slightly different from per action, as it per 'targeting'.

B) MAP applies. Its not that the 'Strike' gets negated, its just your attack can miss, similar to how your attack can miss because your 'Strike' does not meet the targets AC.

C) This one is the interesting one and is where the slight difference comes into play. 'Twin Takedown' states you make two 'Strikes' against your hunted prey, and as each 'Strike' is a targeted attack, yes you would need to roll the flat check for each.

[DomHeroEllis]

Thanks that is exactly what I thought just wanted to double check as I couldn't quite parse if the rules and my reading of them was correct :)