Raising the DC of innate spells

[Ravingdork]

The Innate Spells rules state the following:

You’re always trained in spell attack rolls and spell DCs for your innate spells, even if you aren’t otherwise trained in spell attack rolls or spell DCs. If your proficiency in spell attack rolls or spell DCs is expert or better, apply that proficiency to your innate spells, too. You use your Charisma modifier as your spellcasting ability modifier for innate spells unless otherwise specified.

An acquaintance of mine thinks that the tradition of your spell attack rolls or spell DCs might not matter; that it increases your innate spell's attack rolls and spell DCs whether or not the two traditions match.

I'm thinking that is only the case if your class tradition matches the innate spell's tradition. Otherwise, there isn't much reason left to classify an innate spell as being from one tradition or another.

Does anyone know the intended rule?

[Talonhawke]

Just on reading I would have to agree with your friend it seems if you proficiency goes up innate goes up.

[Quandary]

Pretty sure tradition doesn't have to match for proficiency to carry over.
It can matter for things like target's vulnerability or bonus VS specific tradition magic.
Even if it never matters in play, it matters in terms of spell choice (for Innates that let you pick from tradition).
Obviously it doesn't hurt to have a tradition specified (other than when target gets higher bonus VS it).

[Nym Moondown]

So does my Innate Spells proficiency increase no matter what is my spellcasting tradition or key ability? :O

[Kelseus]

Nym Moondown wrote:

So does my Innate Spells proficiency increase no matter what is my spellcasting tradition or key ability? :O

That's how I read it as well. If you are a Master Wizard, your innate Primal cantrips are also Master, but use Cha instead of Int.

[Draco18s]

Nym Moondown wrote:

So does my Innate Spells proficiency increase no matter what is my spellcasting tradition or key ability? :O

You always use charisma unless otherwise specified.

[Aratorin]

Draco18s wrote:

Nym Moondown wrote:

So does my Innate Spells proficiency increase no matter what is my spellcasting tradition or key ability? :O

You always use charisma unless otherwise specified.

For the ability modifier yes, but your proficiency increases to match the best of your other spell casting proficiencies. Just like your unarmed attack proficiency increases to match your best weapon proficiency.

[Nym Moondown]

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Just like your unarmed attack proficiency increases to match your best weapon proficiency.

Are you sure? Some classes increase unarmed and weapons proficiency differently.

[Xenocrat]

Nym Moondown wrote:

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Just like your unarmed attack proficiency increases to match your best weapon proficiency.

Are you sure? Some classes increase unarmed and weapons proficiency differently.

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