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I'd just like an alternative entry point for the fighter dedication for people who already have martial weapon proficiencies (likewise champion and armor proficiencies.) They don't have to be especially strong options, but they should be stronger than "spend a class feat on a single skill training and get nothing else."
Just psychologically, a feat giving you something you already have isn't very satisfying.
Something like:
Advanced Fighter Dedication
Prerequisites: Trained in all martial weapons, Str 16 or Dex 16.You become trained in acrobatics or athletics; if you are already trained in both of these skills you become trained in another skill instead. You are trained in fighter DC. Gain your choice of a level 1 skill feat that requires training in acrobatics or athletics.
Why not just take a page from the Fighter class itself?
Advanced Fighter Dedication
Prerequisites: Trained in all Simple and Marital weapons, Str 16 or Dex 16
You become Trained in Acrobatics or Athletics; if you are already Trained in both of these skills you may choose to become Trained in another skill of your choice instead. Choose 1 weapon group that you are Trained in and gain Expert proficiency in that group. You become Trained in Fighter DC.
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I'd just like an alternative entry point for the fighter dedication for people who already have martial weapon proficiencies (likewise champion and armor proficiencies.) They don't have to be especially strong options, but they should be stronger than "spend a class feat on a single skill training and get nothing else."
Just psychologically, a feat giving you something you already have isn't very satisfying.
Something like:
Advanced Fighter Dedication
Prerequisites: Trained in all martial weapons, Str 16 or Dex 16.You become trained in acrobatics or athletics; if you are already trained in both of these skills you become trained in another skill instead. You are trained in fighter DC. Gain your choice of a level 1 skill feat that requires training in acrobatics or athletics.
Why not just take a page from the Fighter class itself?
Advanced Fighter Dedication
Prerequisites: Trained in all Simple and Marital weapons, Str 16 or Dex 16You become Trained in Acrobatics or Athletics; if you are already Trained in both of these skills you may choose to become Trained in another skill of your choice instead. Choose 1 weapon group that you are Trained in and gain Expert proficiency in that group. You become Trained in Fighter DC.
That would leave you with a feat benefit that was INCREDIBLY strong to take at level 2, but then became useless when your main class proficiency caught up. It seems like a great way to get people to learn about retraining.
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That would leave you with a feat benefit that was INCREDIBLY strong to take at level 2, but then became useless when your main class proficiency caught up. It seems like a great way to get people to learn about retraining.
It would also make it possible to totally steal the Fighter's thunder from levels 2 through 4 (1 through 4 if you're an Ancient Elf). Multiclass Dedications aren't supposed to make you as good as another class at their core thing, that's why you don't start getting 1st level spells until you pick up the second feat in the dedication and why stuff like inspire courage doesn't come online until incredibly late in the game for multiclass Bards. This would let you have a Champion who's as good at hitting people with a sword as a Fighter at level 2, which is pretty uncool to the Fighter.