Can a dragon using a level 2 See Invisibility see a player using Heightened Invisibility? Is there any check required?
This is where the rules for Counteracting come in (page 458-459).
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Yeah by comparison True Seeing actually calls for Counteract checks. See Invisibility does not.
If see invisibility and invisibility spells aren't meant to use the counteract rules, that seems like a very significant oversight since it enables a 2nd level spell (see invisibility) to defeat the effect of a directly-opposed and higher-level spell (invisibility heightened to 4th level, or invsibility sphere, for example).
In the majority of cases, "You are invisible, and see invisible lets the other guy sees invisible characters.
See Invisibility isn't attempting to remove your invisibility status." is a distinction without a difference.
Except it doesn't defeat the effect. YOU ARE STILL INVISIBLE. The person who cast it can see your outline and still suffers a dc5 check to target you, the rest of his friends do not see you, you are invisible to them.
A lot of lower level spells now have utilities into late game, see invisibility is one.
By your reasoning, does a lvl 1 truestrike not work on an invisible target? Or is that not "counteracting"?
Hmm, good point. Would you happen to have any suggestions how I could make my hightened invisibility work? Would casting Non-Detection on top of it prevent See Invisibility?
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Hmm, good point. Would you happen to have any suggestions how I could make my hightened invisibility work? Would casting Non-Detection on top of it prevent See Invisibility?If see invisibility and invisibility spells aren't meant to use the counteract rules, that seems like a very significant oversight since it enables a 2nd level spell (see invisibility) to defeat the effect of a directly-opposed and higher-level spell (invisibility heightened to 4th level, or invsibility sphere, for example).
In the majority of cases, "You are invisible, and see invisible lets the other guy sees invisible characters.
See Invisibility isn't attempting to remove your invisibility status." is a distinction without a difference.
Except it doesn't defeat the effect. YOU ARE STILL INVISIBLE. The person who cast it can see your outline and still suffers a dc5 check to target you, the rest of his friends do not see you, you are invisible to them.
A lot of lower level spells now have utilities into late game, see invisibility is one.
By your reasoning, does a lvl 1 truestrike not work on an invisible target? Or is that not "counteracting"?
Nondetection would attempt to counteract See Invisibility, yes. That plus foil senses seems like it should cover most of the bases you can cover.