Deific Weapon / Deadly Simplicity and Monk Powerful Fist

[Quandary]

OK, I know they don't stack since Powerful Fist specifies dice, not a generic stacking increase.

But it seems like Deific Weapon/Deadly Simplicity:Fist should also allow PF's "you don't take penalty for making lethal attacks..." bit.
Otherwise it's not very functional as a weapon... and since unarmed requires separate mention from weapons anyways, why not?

I actually think DW/DS:Fist should just grant Powerful Fist directly, allowing to qualify for Student of Perfection at low levels...
Simpler, and seems weird not to when you practically have effect of PF, and it's fully thematic for Champion/Cleric of Irori.
Waiting until Expert Unarmed Proficiency at level 5 like most other classes get just seems weird when it's so on-brand,
Champion/Clerics of Irori now qualify for Student of Perfection slower/later than a Fighter who starts with Expert.

(directly granting Powerful Fist also removes potential confusion over whether they stack)

[thenobledrake]

Why is it "not very functional as a weapon"? There aren't a whole lot of creatures that are immune to nonlethal attacks, are there?

[HumbleGamer]

I say no.

The favored weapon allows you to have:

- proficiency
- eventually higher dmg dice
- extra proficiency as warpriest cleric
- related feats ( like replinishment of war )

What you are proposing is a way to exploit the dedication system, allowing champ/cleric to be better than any other class who would like to pursue the student of perfect in path.

Ps: remember that you need powerful fist or expert proficiency, so you will be taking student of perfect in path by lvl 6 as any other class, but monks.

[Quandary]

HumbleGamer wrote:

What you are proposing is a way to exploit the dedication system...

To be clear, when I say "should", I'm discussing potential Errata, which by definition can't "exploit" the rules because it IS the rules.

I can't imagine if this was done from beginning that anybody would find it strange or demand Non-Lethal/Lethal flexibility be removed.
I can see why just directly increasing the die was "obvious" thing to do to fix DF/DS to have basic relevance for Unarmed,
but considering parallel to Powerful Fist ability (and thematic linkage of Irori with Monks) that seems more appropriate.

[HumbleGamer]

Quandary wrote:

HumbleGamer wrote:

What you are proposing is a way to exploit the dedication system...

To be clear, when I say "should", I'm discussing potential Errata, which by definition can't "exploit" the rules because it IS the rules.

I understand.

What I meant was "the way it is would be avoiding dc limits for some other classes but monks".

That's why I think it is correct the way currently is.

Every other class will need exactly the same stuff to take a specific dedication ( except a monk ofc ).