What sorcerer feats can you apply to your (bard / cleric / druid / wizard) spells?

[S. J. Digriz]

Suppose you are a spell casting class such as a bard, cleric, druid, or wizard, and you take the sorcerer dedication feat with a bloodline that matches your spell casting tradition, and then start gaining sorcerer feats. Can you apply these feats to your bard/cleric/druid/wizard spells?

For example, I am a bard. I take sorcerer dedication with a hag bloodline. Then at 8th level, I take occult evolution. Do I get to use this with my bard repertoire? There is nothing in the feat that says I can't, as the feat doesn't specify that it must only apply to your sorcerer repertoire (see below).

If things like occult evolution don't apply to your bard repertoire, what about meta magic feats? If I take dangerous sorcerer, or widen spell via sorcerer dedication feats, can I use them on my class's spells?

OCCULT EVOLUTION FEAT 4
OCCULT SORCERER
Prerequisites: bloodline that grants occult spells

Glimpses of the obscure secrets of the universe loan you power. You become trained in one skill of your choice. Additionally, once per day, you can spend 1 minute to choose one mental occult spell you don’t know and add it to your spell repertoire. You lose this temporary spell the next time you make your daily preparations (though you can use this ability to add it again later).

[Blave]

The way I see it:

You can apply all feats that alter spells you cast (like Dangerous Sorcery or metamagic).

Feats that interact with your spell repertoire or spell slots, such as Occult Evolution, only affect the repertoire you gain from the sorcerer dedication.

Anything else would have some most likely undesired results and would be a total headache to manage. Imagine a level 20 Wizard with Divine Evolution casting a 10th level Heal every day.

[Baarogue]

Some GMs may say no and would be perfectly justified in doing so, but in the interest of simplicity I can't see why you shouldn't be able to exploit this feat that way. It's only one spell, after all, and doesn't say anything about circumventing the rarity rules.

As for metamagic or feats like Dangerous Sorcery: I could be wrong, but I don't recall seeing anywhere that they can only be used with the spells granted by the class whose feat list you learn the metamagic from. Dangerous Sorcery and feats like it already say they're for use with spells cast from spell slots (i.e., not focus spells or cantrips) so it's not like any player can use it all day long. Blood Magic effects specify they only work with bloodline spells, so that loophole is already closed.

I'd p much apply the "if it sounds too good to be true" rule when choosing whether to be a hardass about things like this.

[Fuzzy-Wuzzy]

Blave wrote:

The way I see it:

You can apply all feats that alter spells you cast (like Dangerous Sorcery or metamagic).

Feats that interact with your spell repertoire or spell slots, such as Occult Evolution, only affect the repertoire you gain from the sorcerer dedication.

Anything else would have some most likely undesired results and would be a total headache to manage. Imagine a level 20 Wizard with Divine Evolution casting a 10th level Heal every day.

I agree with Blave.

[Baarogue]

Blave wrote:

The way I see it:

You can apply all feats that alter spells you cast (like Dangerous Sorcery or metamagic).

Feats that interact with your spell repertoire or spell slots, such as Occult Evolution, only affect the repertoire you gain from the sorcerer dedication.

Anything else would have some most likely undesired results and would be a total headache to manage. Imagine a level 20 Wizard with Divine Evolution casting a 10th level Heal every day.

I acknowledge your concern, but would a wizard (or cleric, or druid, or any other prepared spellcaster) have a means to do this? AFAICT this is a combination that could only be utilized by a spontaneous spellcasting class like the bard. You may be right though, and it'd be easier to avoid creative abuse by disallowing it altogether.

[Blave]

Well, a Bard casting a max level Heal per day via Divine Evolution isn't much better. There's also bound to be more spontaneous casters of different traditions before long (Hello, oracle playtest!). So it will matter at one point or another.

Going by RAW, there's nothing in Divine Evolution that limits it to your sorcerer spells. The feat only says

Divine Evolution wrote:

You gain an additional spell slot of your highest level, which you can use only to cast your choice of heal or harm. You can cast either of these spells using that spell slot, even if they aren’t in your spell repertoire.

It doesn't specify that it needs to be your highest sorcerer spell slot or that the spell needs to be on your spell list or that it needs to be a spontaneous spell slot. When read in a certain way, a cleric could also get the feat to basically expand his Divine Font by one use.

There's also other examples that would make feats way too useful if read this way. Say you're an Occult Sorcerer and get Esoteric Polymath via Bard Dedication. You wouldn't add the spells from both repertoires to your spellbook, only your Bard spells. And you could use the book only to add them to your Bard repertoire.

I honestly think this is a case of a rule being too good to be true.

[Aservan]

It depends on what the Sorcerer tag means. If it means the feat only applies to sorcerer class stuff, then you can't use it with bard stuff.

On the other hand the text of the feat is pretty specific. It applies to the highest level of spell you can cast, which has to be a bard spell.