Goblin Pox anyone?


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Anyone have any experience with Goblin Pox? My deity offers it as a first level spell, is this spell viable for my melee Warpriest? Or is this a spell you would pass on? I like the debuff aspect of this spell in particular, it helps me land my attacks with a bit more accuracy but not sure if it's worth the two action cost and being a fort save is unfortunate. One last thing I wanted to ask is this spell better than Overstuff? Lastly is Sickened considered an affliction or a poison?

Overstuff Focus 1
Uncommon Cleric Transmutation
Source Core Rulebook pg. 394
Cast Two Actions somatic, verbal
Range 30 feet; Targets 1 living creature
Saving Throw Fortitude

Huge amounts of food and drink fill the target. It receives a full meal's worth of nourishment and must attempt a Fortitude save.

A target sickened by this spell takes a –10-foot status penalty to its Speed until it's no longer sickened.

Critical Success: The target is unaffected.
Success: The target is sickened 1, but if it spends an action to end the condition, it succeeds automatically.
Failure: The target is sickened 1.
Critical Failure: The target is sickened 2.


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Don't have any play experience with the spells. Here is my analysis of the rules though. For whatever that is worth.

Overstuff seems like a very multi-use spell. Can be used as a minor debuff on enemies, or as a way to feed your party in the wilderness.

Goblin Pox is just a plain debuff spell. As such, it is a bit stronger in comparison.

On comparison, both apply the sickened condition, which gives a status penalty equal to its value to everything, but only takes one successful action to remove one level from. Not a bad debuff - Either reduces the number of actions the enemy has, or imposes the penalty to everything that they try to do.

However, Overstuff only ever applies the sickened condition - and one of the save result levels is a limited version where the enemy can auto-succeed at removing it. Though it does also add a -10 speed penalty too, so that is an added bonus.

Goblin Pox can instead apply the Goblin Pox disease. This makes the sickened condition much longer lasting. At higher levels of the disease path, it also applies a slow effect too. It takes a while to get going, but the disease is much more powerful than just the sickened condition.


Would this disease be considered an affliction? I believe it would. If so would you recommend Take It's Course? It would require me to get both domain powers though.

http://2e.aonprd.com/Spells.aspx?ID=456

Wait a minute! Wouldn't for Overstuff if the enemy is successful at the save, if the enemy spent an action to remove the sickness (interact action?) Wouldn't that provoke an AOO?


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Diseases, poisons, and curses are all afflictions. Goblin pox is a disease, so it counts as an affliction, but Overstuff is not any of those so it is not an affliction. Sickened is a condition, not an affliction.

As for AoO, all it says for sickened is "you spend a single action retching and make a Fortitude save", it doesn't say this is an interact action. It doesn't include the manipulate trait or the move trait, so it doesn't provoke.


I wouldn't recommend Take Its Course based solely on goblin pox. Advancing it doesn't really make it much stronger, compared to other afflictions, so spending two actions to maybe advance it (or maybe accidentally cure it!) doesn't seem worth the in-combat actions.

That said, it does have a lot of value as a healing spell to help your allies against disease and poison. So you could take it on that merit. If you also plan to use more afflictions later this could be better as well, though typically diseases are not a great offensive plan for PCs given that they affect the target over days without artificial hastening. It could be effective with the poison sting spells against a low Fort target however.


This spell went from potentially good to just meh. If retching provoked we would have had something here.

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