Does Barbarian Dedication's Instinct Ability give the Specialization ability too?

[hyphz]

Does the Instinct Ability feat from the Barbarian Dedication path give the Specialization ability too? It doesn't say that it does, but the actual Barbarian class also never explicitly states that you gain your Rage specialization, only that it's based on weapon specialization (which a multiclass Barbarian does still get)

[Fuzzy-Wuzzy]

No, the actual class explicitly states that under Weapon Specialization. "You gain your instinct's specialization ability."

[hyphz]

So is this interpreted as a result of getting Weapon Specialization (which, for example, a Fighter gets); or getting the Barbarian version of Weapon Specialization?

[Squiggit]

hyphz wrote:

So is this interpreted as a result of getting Weapon Specialization (which, for example, a Fighter gets); or getting the Barbarian version of Weapon Specialization?

The specialization ability is unlocked via a barbarian class feature that multiclass barbarians have no way to obtain.

I'm not sure what else there is to say.

[Fuzzy-Wuzzy]

hyphz wrote:

So is this interpreted as a result of getting Weapon Specialization (which, for example, a Fighter gets); or getting the Barbarian version of Weapon Specialization?

The latter, because only the latter mentions it. That is, it's not a matter of the ability saying "You get this when you get Weapon Specialization," which would cause any class with WS to unlock it. Rather, the ability doesn't say when it's unlocked, leaving that to the Barbarian WS to state.

Currently the Barbarian WS is the only thing anywhere to state that it unlocks the specialization ability, so being an actual (not MC) barbarian and getting to that level is the only way to unlock it. In the future it's possible (AFAIK) they'll add more feats to the existing multiclasses, in which case there might be a feat "Specialization Ability: Prereq Instinct Ability: You gain the specialization ability for your instinct." Or your GM could invent that feat if you're in a home game, they just have to decide what level it is.

[furryn]

No, sorry, you're mistaken.

If you look at the dedication feat you'll notice it saying you gain the anethema of the instinct, and no other a abilities it grants:

"Choose an instinct as you would if you were a barbarian. You have that instinct for all purposes and become bound by its anathema, but you don’t gain any of the other abilities it grants."

So you do not gain it from the offset. Now the instinct ability feat, states:

"You gain the instinct ability for the instinct you chose for Barbarian Dedication." And you can not assume that you grant anything beyond that one thing it says, otherwise you could take that liberty with all feats and we might as well not have a ruleset to play by.

The only was to get the specialisation ability, that I'm aware of, it's to take barbarian levels and get the weapon specialisation ability at level 7. And this makes perfect sense