Bonus Combat Feats
"At 2nd level and every 3 levels thereafter, a brawler gains a bonus combat feat in addition to those gained from normal advancement. These bonus feats must be ones that affect or improve her defenses or melee attacks. The brawler must meet the prerequisites of the selected bonus combat feat."
I believe I misread this the first time I saw it and just want to make sure I'm reading it correctly now. A Brawler gets a bonus feat, limited to defense or melee attacks. Therefore I could not take a bonus feat that improves ranged attacks. Do I have that right?
That's correct. However, if it enhances your melee attacks or defenses in any way, you can take it. For instance, feats like the style feat "Startoss Style," which enhances a thrown weapon, also grants a damage bonus (whether it used in melee or ranged), and thus would qualify for the Brawler Bonus Combat Feat. What feat(s) did you have in mind?
I’m starting as Bolt Ace 5 looking to get to Weapon Specialization through Brawler 1 Warpriest 3. As BAB +5 my next level must be BAB +1, which rules out Warpriest, Hunter, Inquisitor, Slayer, Soehi and Shaman (18-wisdom).
Bolt Ace 5, Brawler 1, Warpriest 3 should get me Weapon Specialization. My quandary is where to go next. I’d like a combat feat to complement my Crossbow. At that level the feats are more flavor than required so I can’t tell you precisely which I’d want.
Looks like Brawler 2 would be Hammer the Gap. I think I can use that melee or ranged.
Some fun options that could be next, or perhaps available by martial flexibility.
Impact Critical Shot
Hammer the Gap
Clustered Shot
Relentless Shot
Ranged Trip
Ace Trip
Any suggestions I haven’t found yet?
I think brawler and Warpriest levels technically don’t stack for fighter feats. Not to be pedantic, but it is the rules forum.
Lelomenia wrote: I think brawler and Warpriest levels technically don’t stack for fighter feats. Not to be pedantic, but it is the rules forum. Brawler levels always count, Warpriest levels only count as fighter levels *for bonus feats gained by the Warpriest class*.
Under brawler's Martial Flexibility: "At 1st level, a brawler counts her total brawler levels as both fighter levels and monk levels for the purpose of qualifying for feats."
From the Warpriest's Bonus Feats section: "Finally, for the purposes of these feats, the warpriest can select feats that have a minimum number of fighter levels as a prerequisite, treating his warpriest level as his fighter level."
Only the warpriest's class feature is restricted to feats gained by warpriest bonus feats. So for your Warpriest 3rd level feat you would count both your warpriest levels, and your brawler levels (meaning you would qualify as a 4th level fighter for weapon spec)
EDIT: I think you might be getting hung up on the line "treating his warpriest level as his fighter level." This is not an exclusion of other fighter levels, this is a bonus you get from the warpriest class. For instance, if I was a fighter 10/Warpriest 3, I would treat my normal feat progression fighter level as 10, and for warpriest bonus feats I would treat it as level 13... NOT level 3, and excluding the 10 fighter levels. It's similar to the old monk flurry of blows line "treat your monk level as BAB," where there were some geniuses ruling that you didn't get to use your BAB from other classes when you used flurry of blows, you *only* got monk level. When in reality the intent was to give you a bonus, *not* a restriction
I agree that they both count as fighter levels, it’s just questionable whether you can add them together. For example,
Mark Seifter wrote: Chess Pwn wrote: Hey Mark, How does having 2 sources of the same class work?
Like a fighter 3 brawler 1, does he count as fighter 4 for things like weapon specialization or is he a fighter 3 and fighter 1?
I think technically it only stacks if it says it does mark does note that in a home game you can stack them (that’s how he would run it).
Lelomenia wrote: I agree that they both count as fighter levels, it’s just questionable whether you can add them together. For example,
Mark Seifter wrote: Chess Pwn wrote: Hey Mark, How does having 2 sources of the same class work?
Like a fighter 3 brawler 1, does he count as fighter 4 for things like weapon specialization or is he a fighter 3 and fighter 1?
I think technically it only stacks if it says it does
Could you link where you pulled that from? That's a horrible ruling if that's what he actually ruled. Entirely counter-intuitive
You don't need any Developer input to resolve this, as the language is actually very precice. The ability says "treating his warpriest level as his fighter level" - not treating warpriest levels as fighter levels. You warpriest level is 1 for each level you put in the Warpriest class, modified by nothing and adding nothing. A Fighter 17/Warpriest3 has an effective Fighter level or 3 when selecting their Warpriest lvl3 bonus feat. At least RAW.
On a completely unrelated note, this is literally the first time I've seen that "These bonus feats must be ones that affect or improve her defenses or melee attacks." part. I know I've read the ability description before, and I've even build a Brawler, but this is completely news to me. Doesn't halep that the sentence before and after it are redundant text that should be in the glossary and nowhere else.
CMantle wrote: I think you might be getting hung up on the line "treating his warpriest level as his fighter level." This is not an exclusion of other fighter levels, this is a bonus you get from the warpriest class. (...) It's similar to the old monk flurry of blows line "treat your monk level as BAB," where there were some geniuses ruling that you didn't get to use your BAB from other classes when you used flurry of blows, you *only* got monk level. When in reality the intent was to give you a bonus, *not* a restriction That they needed FAQ/erratum to fix the Monk issue only proves that the issue exists for Warpriest. Writer intend is irrelevant for rules, that's official Paizo statement.
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