Interesting. In his first movie, Daniel Craig's James Bond was a new agent. In this movie, he is sort of retired. I don't think they ever before covered both ends of the career of James Bond with one actor.
Also, vastly amused by the "James Bone" typo. So appropriate.Fixed.
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Interesting. In his first movie, Daniel Craig's James Bond was a new agent. In this movie, he is sort of retired. I don't think they ever before covered both ends of the career of James Bond with one actor.
I kind of hate that. It means the next Bond will likely also get an origin story, since we've done the complete "start to end" with this one.
While the Craig movies have been good (and the ones before him not so much), I do wish they could just go back to just telling Bond adventure stories without needing to do these kinds of full character arcs.
Was there ever a Bond movie before Craig where he was a new agent? I think they've toyed around with him trying to retire before, though it was always back to duty with no real sign of it being permanent.
Golden eye jumped right into the middle of 007's career, so its been done before.
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I don't think we ever saw Bond as a new agent before Daniel Craig's first movie. What they have done with Daniel Craig is the anomaly. Who knows what they will do with the next Bond.
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Golden eye jumped right into the middle of 007's career, so its been done before.Interesting. In his first movie, Daniel Craig's James Bond was a new agent. In this movie, he is sort of retired. I don't think they ever before covered both ends of the career of James Bond with one actor.
I kind of hate that. It means the next Bond will likely also get an origin story, since we've done the complete "start to end" with this one.
While the Craig movies have been good (and the ones before him not so much), I do wish they could just go back to just telling Bond adventure stories without needing to do these kinds of full character arcs.
Was there ever a Bond movie before Craig where he was a new agent? I think they've toyed around with him trying to retire before, though it was always back to duty with no real sign of it being permanent.
Not sure what you mean? Didn't all the pre-Craig movies essentially "jump right into the middle of 007's career"?
Nor did the previous movie (License to Kill) end with a retired Bond. Like every actor switch I can think of before Craig, it just carried on as "here's another Bond story".
Thats correct. I'm curious why you think the Craig films have set precedent? Has that been stated somewhere?
The article clearly suggests that he comes out of retirement early in the movie, so even for the sake of continuity there would be no need to start over with the new Bond as a new agent.
Not that continuity between Bonds has ever really been a thing anyway. I think Sean Connery's Bond was supposed to be a WW2 veteran. There is no way that any Bond after Roger Moore could have had that backstory.
There isn't going to be a "new Bond." There's going to be a new 007, introduced in this film, and she is going to be played by Lashana Lynch. Bond narratively and metanarratively is going to be retired. After all, his archetype is a bit outdated, so it's time for someone new. They're going to carry on after this with a new character entirely, and the number will be passed on as the mantle, rather than cast new "Bonds. And I say this as a fan of the character (and especially of the books, though they definitely are of their own time), but I'm excited to see them continue the world with a new character rather than reboot completely.
Although it's not confirmed if she will continue the role after this,movie. So I could also be wrong and they are still casting a new "Bond." I hope they go the many 007s route instead.
If you haven't heard this yet, just Google it (I'm on my phone and it's too hard to grab an article).
As for "didn't all movies just assume Bond was in the middle of his career," I remember distinctly in "On Her Majesty's Secret Service," there's a line where after the opening action sequence where George Lazenby says something like "Did the previous fellow have so much trouble?" Implying that he was in-story the "new" Bond, and he was replacing Connery's and wasn't actually the same dude.
The weird continuity glitch with Daniel Craig's Bond movies is that they did NOT recast M from the previous Bond movies, which clearly implies that either the same actress was playing two different M's or Daniel Craig's Bond and Pierce Brosnan's Bond were separate people who both identified themselves as James Bond.
But I guess we will have to wait until the movie comes out to see how the whole James Bond vs. 007 thing works out.
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The weird continuity glitch with Daniel Craig's Bond movies is that they did NOT recast M from the previous Bond movies, which clearly implies that either the same actress was playing two different M's or Daniel Craig's Bond and Pierce Brosnan's Bond were separate people who both identified themselves as James Bond.
But I guess we will have to wait until the movie comes out to see how the whole James Bond vs. 007 thing works out.
To be fair, Desmond Llewelyn was Q for all the Bond actors except Craig. The continuity being there is no continuity between any of the Bond eras save for Lazenby's Bond getting married to Teresa, which was then carried over into the Moore era. All the rest of it is pretty well in media res in a 007 story, irrespective of actors.
If I could put on a magical executive producer hat, here is what I would do. Also, this is what I wish would happen.
I would make this a true ending for the character. Craig's Bond started over and has generally been awesome. I don't love Spectre, but I do love Quantum of Solace, even though many disagree. Craig's Bond showed us the beginning of the character, I hope this shows us the end.
I've read lots of hope for this new 007, but my gut feeling is that she gets fridged in order to bring Bond back to be 007. This feeling comes from the fact that she has been identified as 007 but that the producers have also talked about Bond returning as 007. I think the only way that happens is if she dies.
After this movie is finished, I hope they return to the old ways and dispense with character development for a while. Cast Tom Hiddleston and just drop him into a few movies being Bond.
These movies could go one of two directions. These aren't new ideas. I've seen them around the internet. Either look to Jeffrey Deaver's Bond from 2011 with a lovely update of the character to a modern setting. Or return the character to the 1960's. Go back to the Bond who is a veteran of WWII and explore the Cold War. That is fertile ground for storytelling.
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Im curious how many double ohs there are? Its mentioned in Golden Eye that Bean's character is 006. That leaves a lot of room for new characters while leaving the Bond legacy intact. Maybe we can get some double oh flicks that have Money Penny as the lead and Bond is a simple cameo.
I do like the recurring supporting characters that really took hold in the Brosnan era. CIA agents and Russia former KGB and such.
I think we are limited to no more than nine double-oh agents given their numbering scheme. Maybe M's number is triple-oh (000)?
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Im curious how many double ohs there are? Its mentioned in Golden Eye that Bean's character is 006. That leaves a lot of room for new characters while leaving the Bond legacy intact. Maybe we can get some double oh flicks that have Money Penny as the lead and Bond is a simple cameo.
I do like the recurring supporting characters that really took hold in the Brosnan era. CIA agents and Russia former KGB and such.
004 dies in The Living Daylights
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I am kind of concerned that a "007" movie won't be as big a draw as a "Bond" movie and that'll be written off as "female 007 doesn't sell" when it might really be the Bond name. OTOH, just going with a female version of Bond would draw its own fire.If I could put on a magical executive producer hat, here is what I would do. Also, this is what I wish would happen.
I would make this a true ending for the character. Craig's Bond started over and has generally been awesome. I don't love Spectre, but I do love Quantum of Solace, even though many disagree. Craig's Bond showed us the beginning of the character, I hope this shows us the end.
I've read lots of hope for this new 007, but my gut feeling is that she gets fridged in order to bring Bond back to be 007. This feeling comes from the fact that she has been identified as 007 but that the producers have also talked about Bond returning as 007. I think the only way that happens is if she dies.
After this movie is finished, I hope they return to the old ways and dispense with character development for a while. Cast Tom Hiddleston and just drop him into a few movies being Bond.
These movies could go one of two directions. These aren't new ideas. I've seen them around the internet. Either look to Jeffrey Deaver's Bond from 2011 with a lovely update of the character to a modern setting. Or return the character to the 1960's. Go back to the Bond who is a veteran of WWII and explore the Cold War. That is fertile ground for storytelling.
Thats why I think using the other double ohs is the way to go. You are adding to instead of changing the brand.
I would have no problem with another 00. But James Bond in general needs to be put to bed. The movies peaked DECADES ago, and I LIKE Craig.
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Avoids the second problem, but leaves you with a variant of the first. It's not a Bond movie. Who cares about it.I am kind of concerned that a "007" movie won't be as big a draw as a "Bond" movie and that'll be written off as "female 007 doesn't sell" when it might really be the Bond name. OTOH, just going with a female version of Bond would draw its own fire.Thats why I think using the other double ohs is the way to go. You are adding to instead of changing the brand.
That puts all the onus on 00? being good on its own merits. Can the clandestine over the top spy genre live outside Bond? I think it can when you look at things like LE Femme Nikita and Atomic Blond. If it's good, people will care and want more, if its bad, it goes away without hurting the brand
I read a bonkers story that either Boyle or Fukunaga wanted No Time to Die to take place at Blofield's desert base. That the needle mind eraser thing actually happened and that the entire third act of Spectre was just in Bond's mind...
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I read a bonkers story that either Boyle or Fukunaga wanted No Time to Die to take place at Blofield's desert base. That the needle mind eraser thing actually happened and that the entire third act of Spectre was just in Bond's mind...
That would be cool.
To be fair, I was hoping that, after the surgery, Bond would have been incapable of, say, recognizing anybody. That there might be several innocents held hostage in the building at the end, and Bond couldn't tell which one was his sweetie.