Glasses of See Invisible


Pathfinder First Edition General Discussion

Liberty's Edge

I am looking for Glasses of See Invisible. I can't seem to find one in the books (I don't have all of them so I may not have the right one), so, can someone tell me what it would cost to have See Invisible cast on a pair of lenses?


Here's a custom item to fit your requirements:

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Spectacles of Seeing
Aura faint divination; CL 3rd
Slot eyes; Price 18,000 gp; Weight -

DESCRIPTION

While worn, these delicately crafted spectacles grant the wearer the effects of see invisibility.

CONSTRUCTION

Requirements Craft Wondrous Item, see invisibility; Cost 9,000 gp

Liberty's Edge

Umbral Reaver wrote:

Here's a custom item to fit your requirements:

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Spectacles of Seeing
Aura faint divination; CL 3rd
Slot eyes; Price 18,000 gp; Weight -

DESCRIPTION

While worn, these delicately crafted spectacles grant the wearer the effects of see invisibility.

CONSTRUCTION

Requirements Craft Wondrous Item, see invisibility; Cost 9,000 gp

Thanks, that is exactly what I am looking for.


clparis wrote:
I am looking for Glasses of See Invisible. I can't seem to find one in the books (I don't have all of them so I may not have the right one), so, can someone tell me what it would cost to have See Invisible cast on a pair of lenses?

The only official wondrous item that I know of that does see invisibility is the Hand of Glory. It lets you cast it and daylight once per day each and gives you use a third ring slot. I think it costs something like 8,000.

Not aware of any glasses that do this. The designers probably left this out on purpose.


Frogboy wrote:
Not aware of any glasses that do this. The designers probably left this out on purpose.

More than likely it was left out because of tradition. 3.5 didn't have such an item, therefore PF doesn't either. It's pretty expensive for what it does, and consider how easily invisibility can be overcome in other ways, such as a wand of see invisibility or invisibility purge, amongst other things.

Silver Crusade

I could be wrong (I am an old and venerable rat), but I seem to recall a pair of glasses like that from the old Dragonlance game (may be 1st or 2nd edition). It could have been from one of the novel sets as well?

Dark Archive

You can also use a Gem of Seeing to see invisible things. It gives you true sight which is even better than see invisible. Of course it requires a free hand to use, so not the same as a pair of glasses, but what you going to do? ;)

Cheers


Lord oKOyA wrote:

You can also use a Gem of Seeing to see invisible things. It gives you true sight which is even better than see invisible. Of course it requires a free hand to use, so not the same as a pair of glasses, but what you going to do? ;)

Cheers

Well, you could work with your GM on the cost to make it, but I would think you could convert the Gem of Seeing into a Monocle of Seeing.

Dark Archive

Well, I am my groups GM and I would have no problem allowing a Monocle of Seeing. :)


Lord oKOyA wrote:
Well, I am my groups GM and I would have no problem allowing a Monocle of Seeing. :)

Please be careful about giving out continuous items of personal range spells. Such spells may not be intended for all

Liberty's Edge

Umbral Reaver wrote:

Here's a custom item to fit your requirements:

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Spectacles of Seeing
Aura faint divination; CL 3rd
Slot eyes; Price 18,000 gp; Weight -

DESCRIPTION

While worn, these delicately crafted spectacles grant the wearer the effects of see invisibility.

CONSTRUCTION

Requirements Craft Wondrous Item, see invisibility; Cost 9,000 gp

The price you have given is right by RAW.

The only problem is that the original spell (see invisible) has a range of personal. When creating a spell giving it a range of personal is a way to reduce the spell power and so the spell level.
As a houserule I would make items based on spells with a range of personal cost more when the item can be used by anyone,
A price of 27.000 seem more in line with what the item do.

(If you are curious on how I have reached that price, I have bumped the spell level up by +1 while keeping the original caster level caster level in the magic item creation formula. So it is 3 [spell level]x3 [caster level]x.1.5 [spell with a 10 minute/level duration] x2.000 = 27.000.]

Dark Archive

tlotig wrote:
Please be careful about giving out continuous items of personal range spells. Such spells may not be intended for all

Now where did I say that I would allow the usage to be continuous? :)

The monocle would just remove the need for a free hand. Of course cost would be adjusted and the item would now take up a body slot.

And since you brought it up, I actually think the lack of access to methods to deal with invisibility, illusions and such* for many classes (read non casting classes) is a con not a pro from a game balance perspective. Of course ymmv. :)

Cheers

*(flight, teleportation, scrying etc)


A Lantern of Revealing might be worth looking into. It'd be a little bit more expensive than crafting a custom item for continuous See Invisibility, and it would be limited to 25' as opposed to 60' or whatever it is that See Invisibility gives, but it can benefit multiple people at once. And seeing as it is an already existing item, there is less of a chance that price will be argued between crafter and GM. The Lantern might also help you define a price for the item of See Invisibility if it proves the equation for creation of the item breaks down and throws out numbers that seem too low/high for your group's tastes.

Dark Archive

Yes, the lantern is another option. Poor range is problematic though.


Lord oKOyA wrote:
Yes, the lantern is another option. Poor range is problematic though.

My theory is that the range is 25 because of, you know...

Spoiler:
SNEAK ATTACK!

CL might be a factor in there too *shifty eyes*.

Dark Archive

I would think that the cost is more of a limiting factor than the CL... even if crafted it means spending a considerable amount of wealth by level until much higher level. Compared to a by-passable CL restriction of 5th level.

Just my take anyhow.

Cheers


Chubbs McGee wrote:
I could be wrong (I am an old and venerable rat), but I seem to recall a pair of glasses like that from the old Dragonlance game (may be 1st or 2nd edition). It could have been from one of the novel sets as well?

Perhaps you refer to Dalamar's glasses. They allowed Tasslehoff to read the magic spells in a spellbook.


A permanent see invisibility costs 5000 and requires a 10th level caster, but that's to do it without the glasses. Guess they would have to either be on scrolls for the non-caster type or you would also have to let the caster magic-jar into you to cast the appropriate spells . Assuming your GM is ok with the magic-jar perm workaround.
The scrolls with component costs would be 6300 I think, because the minimum 10th level on the perm.Still cheaper by far than alot of the above mentioned prices. And it leaves a slot open. Beware dispel magic though.....


Brox RedGloves wrote:
Chubbs McGee wrote:
I could be wrong (I am an old and venerable rat), but I seem to recall a pair of glasses like that from the old Dragonlance game (may be 1st or 2nd edition). It could have been from one of the novel sets as well?
Perhaps you refer to Dalamar's glasses. They allowed Tasslehoff to read the magic spells in a spellbook.

I believe he is referring to the Glasses of Arcanist that Tasslehoff found in the Library of Tarsis in the books or is available to be found by characters in the Tomb of Derkin in DL4 Dragons of Desolation (page 141 encounter DT 9 in Volume 1 Dragons of Autumn War of Lance Campaign). Information about the Glasses of the Arcanist can be found on page 52 of the War of the Lance campaign supplement for Dragonlance. The glasses allow the wearer to read any writing and translate the writing into a language the wearer knows, but don't allow them to see invisible.


skrahen wrote:

A permanent see invisibility costs 5000 and requires a 10th level caster, but that's to do it without the glasses. Guess they would have to either be on scrolls for the non-caster type or you would also have to let the caster magic-jar into you to cast the appropriate spells . Assuming your GM is ok with the magic-jar perm workaround.

The scrolls with component costs would be 6300 I think, because the minimum 10th level on the perm.Still cheaper by far than alot of the above mentioned prices. And it leaves a slot open. Beware dispel magic though.....

There's a trick to get around that. Get a cheap, long duration spell cast on you at 1 CL higher than your permanent spell. Then if you're hit with a dispel, there's only a 1 in 20 chance of it hitting your permanent spell.

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