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Hey guys. So i am trying make a bad guy, just for the sake of doing it. And i am playing around with the leadership feat and the Kingdom building system in the Ultimate Campaigns book. I've also pulled from the Mythic system and the 3.5 epic rules system to see how ridiculous i could go, and no i need help help with the math lol
So for a lvl 30 mythic dread lich, without any help from magic items, feats or class features, his orginal leadership score is 43. Now here is where the real fun begins mwahaha!
Feats:
Vile Leadership
Epic Leadership
Legendary Commander= followers*10
Mythic Leadership= +10 score
Dynasty Founder= +3 score
Dual Path
Extra Path Ability= Crusader
Traits:
Natural born leader= +1 score
Class features:
Crusader= +10score and double followers
Items:
Ring of the Ecclesiarch= double followers
Suzerain Scepter= double followers
Imperial Army Greathelm= +3 score
Modifiers:
Ruthless= +2
Rewards loyalty= +1
Possesses special power (wizard)= +1
Gained power by eliminating a superior= +1
Has a stronghold=+2
Total score= 87
Nowhere is where the help comes in.
With that kind of score how do i come up with the number of level 1 followers using all the items, and feats, and the Crusader mythic class feature together?
Using epic leadership and the final score you start with 4700 lvl 1 minions
Sounds like at 30th level he could be at the head of his own kingdom. And that's just the *living* followers.
I know that lol i want the exact number of lvl 1 followers lol. It's a science experiment and i want to see if my numbers are correct.
When some thing says it doubles, do i double the already doubled amount or am i only doubling the base amount? Same goes for the 10x from Legendary commander, do i multiply the end result or do i multiply the base amount then add the rest?
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Hey guys. So i am trying make a bad guy, just for the sake of doing it. And i am playing around with the leadership feat and the Kingdom building system in the Ultimate Campaigns book. I've also pulled from the Mythic system and the 3.5 epic rules system to see how ridiculous i could go, and no i need help help with the math lol
So for a lvl 30 mythic dread lich, without any help from magic items, feats or class features, his orginal leadership score is 43. Now here is where the real fun begins mwahaha!
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Total score= 87Nowhere is where the help comes in.
With that kind of score how do i come up with the number of level 1 followers using all the items, and feats, and the Crusader mythic class feature together?
Using epic leadership and the final score you start with 4700 lvl 1 minions
Some interesting things I learned:
You cannot take Leadership if you have Vile Leadership, but you can do it the other way. So it is possible to have both, and perhaps stack bonuses to the score. If you punish (but not kill) minions, you can gain a score bonus of up to your character level.There are several feats that get you a 1st level cohort that can be later traded out for the leadership feat. But if you don't trade it, there is no reason you can't also get Leadership.
Well, I also found and linked the following:
Archetypes
Cavalier Daring General
A daring general gains a modified version of the Leadership feat at 6th level. However, at 12th level and 18th level, the daring general gains an additional cohort (up to a maximum of three cohorts at 18th level) and a number of additional followers equal to the number of followers he gained from the Leadership feat (up to a maximum of triple his normal number of followers at 18th level).
Druid Life Channeler
Starting at 6th level, a life channeler gathers a flock of willing sacrifices. This grants her the benefits of the Leadership feat, except that using a follower as a human sacrifice with this ability doesn’t cause the life channeler to take a penalty to her Leadership score.
Mesmerist Cult Master
The cult master gains Leadership as a bonus feat.
Rogue Galtan Agitator
At 12th level, a Galtan agitator gains Leadership as a bonus feat. If the Galtan agitator already has the Leadership feat, she doubles her Charisma modifier when calculating her base Leadership score.
Rogue Guild Agent
At 8th level: If the guild agent possesses the Leadership feat, he gains twice as many followers as normal.
Skald Warlord
At 7th level, a warlord attracts a group of followers through his fearsome reputation and gains the Leadership feat as a bonus feat.
Wizard Instructor
the instructor uses his Intelligence modifier, rather than Charisma, to determine his Leadership score. At 7th level, an instructor may select the Leadership feat—using his Intelligence modifier to determine his Leadership score—but doing so only provides followers, never a second cohort.
Domains
Nobility
At 8th level, you receive Leadership as a bonus feat. In addition, you gain a +2 bonus on your leadership score as long as you uphold the tenets of your deity (or divine concept if you do not venerate a deity).
Inquisitions
Sedition Inquisition
At 8th level, you gain Leadership as a bonus feat.
Celestial Boons
Olheon
Boons - Celestial Obedience: 3: Lordship (Su) You automatically gain the Leadership feat, and you are always considered to have a reputation of fairness and generosity so long as you maintain your allegiance to Olheon. If you already have the Leadership feat, you gain an additional +2 bonus to your Leadership score.
Feats
Commander of Goblinkind
If you have the Leadership feat, treat your leadership score as 2 higher when taking followers or a cohort with the goblinoid subtype.
Dynasty Founder (Story)
You gain followers as if you had the Leadership feat, although you cannot attract followers of a level higher than your level – 2. If you also have the Leadership feat, increase your Leadership score by 3 for the purpose of determining how many followers you have.
Groom
This feat is similar to the Leadership feat, with several exceptions to note. You can attract only a 1st-level cohort (referred to hereafter as a groom) with this feat, and cannot recruit followers of his own.
Light Bearer
This feat is similar to the Leadership feat, with several exceptions. You can attract only a 1st-level cohort (referred to hereafter as a light bearer) with this feat, and can’t recruit followers.
Masked Symbol
Leadership: +2 bonus to your Leadership score.
Noble Impostor (Story)
Completion Benefit: You gain followers as if you had the Leadership feat. If you also have the Leadership feat, increase your Leadership score by 3 for the purpose of determining how many followers you have.
Noble Scion
Scion of Highhelm: You use your Constitution modifier instead of your Charisma modifier for the purpose of the Leadership feat.
Scion of Kyonin: You use your Dexterity modifier instead of your Charisma modifier for the purpose of the Leadership feat.
Page
This feat is similar to the Leadership feat, with several exceptions. You can attract only a 1st-level cohort (referred to hereafter as a page) with this feat, and can’t recruit followers.
Taldan Knight
You gain a cohort as if you had selected the Leadership feat;
Weapon Bearer
This feat is similar to the Leadership feat, with several exceptions. You can attract only a 1st-level cohort (referred to hereafter as a weapon bearer) with this feat, and can’t recruit followers.
Epic Feat
Legendary Commander
Multiply the number of followers of each level that the character can lead by 10. This has no effect on cohorts.
Magic Itemss
Breastplate of Command armor
The wearer also gains a +2 competence bonus to his Leadership score.
Ring of the Ecclesiarch ring
If the wearer has the Leadership feat, she may attract double the normal number of followers, and her followers’ zealous devotion grants them a +4 morale bonus on Will saves against enchantment spells and effects.
Suzerain Scepter none
If the wielder of a suzerain scepter has the Leadership feat, she may attract double the normal number of followers for her Leadership score
Crown of Conquest head
If the wearer of the crown has the Leadership feat, he gains a +1 bonus to his Leadership score
Diadem of Inspiring Rule head
This ornate, ostentatious diadem grants its wearer a +3 competence bonus to her Leadership score.
Imperial Army Greathelm head
If the wearer of an Imperial Army greathelm has the Leadership feat, he gains a +3 bonus to his Leadership score
Mythic
Mythic Leadership (Mythic)
Add your mythic tier to your leadership score.
Marshal
1 Loyalty (Ex) (Mythic Adventures pg. 40): You gain Leadership as a bonus feat. If you already have the Leadership feat (or if you take it at a later level), add your tier to your Leadership score.
Champion
1 Crusader (Ex) (Mythic Adventures pg. 21): You gain followers as if you had the Leadership feat. In addition, you add your tier to your leadership score when determining the number of followers you gain. If you have or gain the Leadership feat, you gain followers from both this ability and the Leadership feat (in effect doubling the number of followers gained).
Universal
3 Interplanar Prestige (Ex, Sp) (Cohorts and Companions pg. 10): If you have the Leadership feat, you add half your mythic tier to your Leadership score for the purpose of attracting an outsider cohort.
Prestige Classes
Battle Herald
Improved Leadership (Ex): A battle herald with the Leadership feat adds her inspiring command bonus to her leadership score.
Low Templar
Damnation/Redemption (Su): At 10th level: When the low templar makes his damnation/redemption choice, he gains a planar cohort appropriate to his actual alignment, gained as if he had taken the Leadership feat. If the low templar has the Leadership feat, he gains a +1 bonus to his Leadership score.
Noble Scion
Servitor (Ex): At 7th level, a noble scion gains a faithful NPC servitor of the same level as his cohort granted by the Leadership feat.
Sentinel
Righteous Leader (Ex): At 8th level: He gains Leadership as a bonus feat, and is considered to qualify for that feat’s special power leadership modifier.
Races
Human
Social Ties: They also add a +1 racial bonus to their Leadership scores (if they gain the Leadership feat).
Half-Orc
War-Leader: Such half-orcs gain a +2 bonus on Diplomacy and Profession (soldier) checks as well as to their Leadership score (for the purpose of the Leadership feat).
Traits
Ethical Leader Race
You gain a +1 trait bonus to your Leadership score if all your cohorts and followers have an alignment within one step of your alignment.
Natural Born Leader Campaign
In addition, you gain a +1 trait bonus to your Leadership score if you take the Leadership feat.
Natural-Born Leader Basic (Social)
If you ever take the Leadership feat, you gain a +1 trait bonus to your Leadership score.
Rebel Leader Region
If you take the Leadership feat, you receive a +1 trait bonus to your Leadership score.
26: 18th cohort & 160 1st, 16 2nd, 8 3rd, 4 4th, 2 5th, 2 6th, 1 7th
27: 18th cohort & 190 1st, 19 2nd, 10 3rd, 5 4th, 3 5th, 2 6th, 1 7th
28: 19th cohort & 220 1st, 22 2nd, 11 3rd, 6 4th, 3 5th, 2 6th, 1 7th
29: 19th cohort & 260 1st, 26 2nd, 13 3rd, 7 4th, 4 5th, 2 6th, 1 7th
30: 20th cohort & 300 1st, 30 2nd, 15 3rd, 8 4th, 4 5th, 2 6th, 1 7th
31: 20th cohort & 350 1st, 35 2nd, 18 3rd, 9 4th, 5 5th, 3 6th, 2 7th, 1 8th
32: 21st cohort & 400 1st, 40 2nd, 20 3rd, 10 4th, 5 5th, 3 6th, 2 7th, 1 8th
33: 21st cohort & 460 1st, 46 2nd, 23 3rd, 12 4th, 6 5th, 3 6th, 2 7th, 1 8th
34: 22nd cohort & 520 1st, 52 2nd, 26 3rd, 13 4th, 6 5th, 3 6th, 2 7th, 1 8th
35: 22nd cohort & 590 1st, 59 2nd, 30 3rd, 15 4th, 8 5th, 4 6th, 2 7th, 1 8th
36: 23rd cohort & 660 1st, 66 2nd, 33 3rd, 17 4th, 9 5th, 5 6th, 3 7th, 2 8th, 1 9th
37: 23rd cohort & 740 1st, 74 2nd, 37 3rd, 19 4th, 10 5th, 5 6th, 3 7th, 2 8th, 1 9th
38: 24th cohort & 820 1st, 82 2nd, 41 3rd, 21 4th, 11 5th, 6 6th, 3 7th, 2 8th, 1 9th
39: 24th cohort & 910 1st, 91 2nd, 46 3rd, 23 4th, 12 5th, 6 6th, 3 7th, 2 8th, 1 9th
40: 25th cohort & 1000 1st, 100 2nd, 50 3rd, 25 4th, 13 5th, 7 6th, 4 7th, 2 8th, 1 9th
41: 25th cohort & 1100 1st, 110 2nd, 55 3rd, 28 4th, 14 5th, 7 6th, 4 7th, 2 8th, 1 9th
42: 26th cohort & 1200 1st, 120 2nd, 60 3rd, 30 4th, 15 5th, 8 6th, 4 7th, 2 8th, 1 9th
43: 26th cohort & 1300 1st, 130 2nd, 65 3rd, 33 4th, 17 5th, 9 6th, 5 7th, 3 8th, 2 9th, 1 10th
44: 27th cohort & 1400 1st, 140 2nd, 70 3rd, 35 4th, 18 5th, 9 6th, 5 7th, 3 8th, 2 9th, 1 10th
45: 27th cohort & 1500 1st, 150 2nd, 75 3rd, 38 4th, 19 5th, 10 6th, 5 7th, 3 8th, 2 9th, 1 10th
46: 28th cohort & 1600 1st, 160 2nd, 80 3rd, 40 4th, 20 5th, 10 6th, 5 7th, 3 8th, 2 9th, 1 10th
47: 28th cohort & 1700 1st, 170 2nd, 85 3rd, 43 4th, 22 5th, 11 6th, 6 7th, 3 8th, 2 9th, 1 10th
48: 29th cohort & 1800 1st, 180 2nd, 90 3rd, 45 4th, 23 5th, 12 6th, 6 7th, 3 8th, 2 9th, 1 10th
49: 29th cohort & 1900 1st, 190 2nd, 95 3rd, 48 4th, 24 5th, 12 6th, 6 7th, 3 8th, 2 9th, 1 10th
50: 30th cohort & 2000 1st, 200 2nd, 100 3rd, 50 4th, 25 5th, 13 6th, 7 7th, 4 8th, 2 9th, 1 10th
51: 30th cohort & 2100 1st, 210 2nd, 105 3rd, 53 4th, 27 5th, 14 6th, 7 7th, 4 8th, 2 9th, 1 10th
52: 31st cohort & 2200 1st, 220 2nd, 110 3rd, 55 4th, 28 5th, 14 6th, 7 7th, 4 8th, 2 9th, 1 10th
53: 31st cohort & 2300 1st, 230 2nd, 115 3rd, 58 4th, 29 5th, 15 6th, 8 7th, 4 8th, 2 9th, 1 10th
54: 32nd cohort & 2400 1st, 240 2nd, 120 3rd, 60 4th, 30 5th, 15 6th, 8 7th, 4 8th, 2 9th, 1 10th
55: 32nd cohort & 2500 1st, 250 2nd, 125 3rd, 63 4th, 32 5th, 16 6th, 8 7th, 4 8th, 2 9th, 1 10th
56: 33rd cohort & 2600 1st, 260 2nd, 130 3rd, 65 4th, 33 5th, 17 6th, 9 7th, 5 8th, 3 9th, 2 10th, 1 11th
57: 33rd cohort & 2700 1st, 270 2nd, 135 3rd, 68 4th, 34 5th, 17 6th, 9 7th, 5 8th, 3 9th, 2 10th, 1 11th
58: 34th cohort & 2800 1st, 280 2nd, 140 3rd, 70 4th, 35 5th, 18 6th, 9 7th, 5 8th, 3 9th, 2 10th, 1 11th
59: 34th cohort & 2900 1st, 290 2nd, 145 3rd, 73 4th, 37 5th, 19 6th, 10 7th, 5 8th, 3 9th, 2 10th, 1 11th
60: 35th cohort & 3000 1st, 300 2nd, 150 3rd, 75 4th, 38 5th, 19 6th, 10 7th, 5 8th, 3 9th, 2 10th, 1 11th
61: 35th cohort & 3100 1st, 310 2nd, 155 3rd, 78 4th, 39 5th, 20 6th, 10 7th, 5 8th, 3 9th, 2 10th, 1 11th
62: 36th cohort & 3200 1st, 320 2nd, 160 3rd, 80 4th, 40 5th, 20 6th, 10 7th, 5 8th, 3 9th, 2 10th, 1 11th
63: 36th cohort & 3300 1st, 330 2nd, 165 3rd, 83 4th, 42 5th, 21 6th, 11 7th, 6 8th, 3 9th, 2 10th, 1 11th
64: 37th cohort & 3400 1st, 340 2nd, 170 3rd, 85 4th, 43 5th, 22 6th, 11 7th, 6 8th, 3 9th, 2 10th, 1 11th
65: 37th cohort & 3500 1st, 350 2nd, 175 3rd, 88 4th, 44 5th, 22 6th, 11 7th, 6 8th, 3 9th, 2 10th, 1 11th
66: 38th cohort & 3600 1st, 360 2nd, 180 3rd, 90 4th, 45 5th, 23 6th, 12 7th, 6 8th, 3 9th, 2 10th, 1 11th
67: 38th cohort & 3700 1st, 370 2nd, 185 3rd, 93 4th, 47 5th, 24 6th, 12 7th, 6 8th, 3 9th, 2 10th, 1 11th
68: 39th cohort & 3800 1st, 380 2nd, 190 3rd, 95 4th, 48 5th, 24 6th, 12 7th, 6 8th, 3 9th, 2 10th, 1 11th
69: 39th cohort & 3900 1st, 390 2nd, 195 3rd, 98 4th, 49 5th, 25 6th, 13 7th, 7 8th, 4 9th, 2 10th, 1 11th
70: 40th cohort & 4000 1st, 400 2nd, 200 3rd, 100 4th, 50 5th, 25 6th, 13 7th, 7 8th, 4 9th, 2 10th, 1 11th
71: 40th cohort & 4100 1st, 410 2nd, 205 3rd, 103 4th, 52 5th, 26 6th, 13 7th, 7 8th, 4 9th, 2 10th, 1 11th
72: 41st cohort & 4200 1st, 420 2nd, 210 3rd, 105 4th, 53 5th, 27 6th, 14 7th, 7 8th, 4 9th, 2 10th, 1 11th
73: 41st cohort & 4300 1st, 430 2nd, 215 3rd, 108 4th, 54 5th, 27 6th, 14 7th, 7 8th, 4 9th, 2 10th, 1 11th
74: 42nd cohort & 4400 1st, 440 2nd, 220 3rd, 110 4th, 55 5th, 28 6th, 14 7th, 7 8th, 4 9th, 2 10th, 1 11th
75: 42nd cohort & 4500 1st, 450 2nd, 225 3rd, 113 4th, 57 5th, 29 6th, 15 7th, 8 8th, 4 9th, 2 10th, 1 11th
76: 43rd cohort & 4600 1st, 460 2nd, 230 3rd, 115 4th, 58 5th, 29 6th, 15 7th, 8 8th, 4 9th, 2 10th, 1 11th
77: 43rd cohort & 4700 1st, 470 2nd, 235 3rd, 118 4th, 59 5th, 30 6th, 15 7th, 8 8th, 4 9th, 2 10th, 1 11th
78: 44th cohort & 4800 1st, 480 2nd, 240 3rd, 120 4th, 60 5th, 30 6th, 15 7th, 8 8th, 4 9th, 2 10th, 1 11th
79: 44th cohort & 4900 1st, 490 2nd, 245 3rd, 123 4th, 62 5th, 31 6th, 16 7th, 8 8th, 4 9th, 2 10th, 1 11th
80: 45th cohort & 5000 1st, 500 2nd, 250 3rd, 125 4th, 63 5th, 32 6th, 16 7th, 8 8th, 4 9th, 2 10th, 1 11th
81: 45th cohort & 5100 1st, 510 2nd, 255 3rd, 128 4th, 64 5th, 32 6th, 16 7th, 8 8th, 4 9th, 2 10th, 1 11th
82: 46th cohort & 5200 1st, 520 2nd, 260 3rd, 130 4th, 65 5th, 33 6th, 17 7th, 9 8th, 5 9th, 3 10th, 2 11th, 1 12th
83: 46th cohort & 5300 1st, 530 2nd, 265 3rd, 133 4th, 67 5th, 34 6th, 17 7th, 9 8th, 5 9th, 3 10th, 2 11th, 1 12th
84: 47th cohort & 5400 1st, 540 2nd, 270 3rd, 135 4th, 68 5th, 34 6th, 17 7th, 9 8th, 5 9th, 3 10th, 2 11th, 1 12th
85: 47th cohort & 5500 1st, 550 2nd, 275 3rd, 138 4th, 69 5th, 35 6th, 18 7th, 9 8th, 5 9th, 3 10th, 2 11th, 1 12th
86: 48th cohort & 5600 1st, 560 2nd, 280 3rd, 140 4th, 70 5th, 35 6th, 18 7th, 9 8th, 5 9th, 3 10th, 2 11th, 1 12th
87: 48th cohort & 5700 1st, 570 2nd, 285 3rd, 143 4th, 72 5th, 36 6th, 18 7th, 9 8th, 5 9th, 3 10th, 2 11th, 1 12th
88: 49th cohort & 5800 1st, 580 2nd, 290 3rd, 145 4th, 73 5th, 37 6th, 19 7th, 10 8th, 5 9th, 3 10th, 2 11th, 1 12th
89: 49th cohort & 5900 1st, 590 2nd, 295 3rd, 148 4th, 74 5th, 37 6th, 19 7th, 10 8th, 5 9th, 3 10th, 2 11th, 1 12th
90: 50th cohort & 6000 1st, 600 2nd, 300 3rd, 150 4th, 75 5th, 38 6th, 19 7th, 10 8th, 5 9th, 3 10th, 2 11th, 1 12th
91: 50th cohort & 6100 1st, 610 2nd, 305 3rd, 153 4th, 77 5th, 39 6th, 20 7th, 10 8th, 5 9th, 3 10th, 2 11th, 1 12th
92: 51st cohort & 6200 1st, 620 2nd, 310 3rd, 155 4th, 78 5th, 39 6th, 20 7th, 10 8th, 5 9th, 3 10th, 2 11th, 1 12th
93: 51st cohort & 6300 1st, 630 2nd, 315 3rd, 158 4th, 79 5th, 40 6th, 20 7th, 10 8th, 5 9th, 3 10th, 2 11th, 1 12th
94: 52nd cohort & 6400 1st, 640 2nd, 320 3rd, 160 4th, 80 5th, 40 6th, 20 7th, 10 8th, 5 9th, 3 10th, 2 11th, 1 12th
95: 52nd cohort & 6500 1st, 650 2nd, 325 3rd, 163 4th, 82 5th, 41 6th, 21 7th, 11 8th, 6 9th, 3 10th, 2 11th, 1 12th
96: 53rd cohort & 6600 1st, 660 2nd, 330 3rd, 165 4th, 83 5th, 42 6th, 21 7th, 11 8th, 6 9th, 3 10th, 2 11th, 1 12th
97: 53rd cohort & 6700 1st, 670 2nd, 335 3rd, 168 4th, 84 5th, 42 6th, 21 7th, 11 8th, 6 9th, 3 10th, 2 11th, 1 12th
98: 54th cohort & 6800 1st, 680 2nd, 340 3rd, 170 4th, 85 5th, 43 6th, 22 7th, 11 8th, 6 9th, 3 10th, 2 11th, 1 12th
99: 54th cohort & 6900 1st, 690 2nd, 345 3rd, 173 4th, 87 5th, 44 6th, 22 7th, 11 8th, 6 9th, 3 10th, 2 11th, 1 12th
100: 55th cohort & 7000 1st, 700 2nd, 350 3rd, 175 4th, 88 5th, 44 6th, 22 7th, 11 8th, 6 9th, 3 10th, 2 11th, 1 12th
/cevah
I know that lol i want the exact number of lvl 1 followers lol. It's a science experiment and i want to see if my numbers are correct.
When some thing says it doubles, do i double the already doubled amount or am i only doubling the base amount? Same goes for the 10x from Legendary commander, do i multiply the end result or do i multiply the base amount then add the rest?
I think RAI is for the doubling and tenfold increase is the adding of 1 or 9 respectively rather than a true doubling. So...
Assuming Leadership and Vile Leadership, but not other stuff, here are three builds:
Most followers: Cavalier 12 / Rogue Guild Agent 8 / Mythic 10. This gets 3 cohorts, 5x followers, but you are not a caster.
Most cohorts: Cavalier 20 Daring General / Mythic 10. This gets 4 cohorts, 4x followers, but you are not a caster.
Easiest Lich: Druid Life Channeler 20 / Mythic 10. This gets 3 cohorts, 3x followers. As a caster, it easier to become a lich.
For bumping your score only, use the following from above:
Commander of Goblinkind = +2
Masked Symbol = +2
Breastplate of Command = +2
Imperial Army Greathelm = +3
Mythic Leadership = +10
Half-Orc (War-Leader) = +2
Natural Born Leader = +1
[total +22 score]
Higher score and more followers:
Dynasty Founder = +3 and followers
Noble Impostor = +3 and followers
[total +6 score and +2x followers]
Add in a cohort:
Taldan Knight = +1 cohort
Bumping followers:
Legendary Commander = +9 followers
Ring of the Ecclesiarch = +1 followers
Suzerain Scepter = +1 followers
Champion (Crusader) = +1 follows
[total +12 followers]
Based on the Druid, with all these listed stuff, the total is:
4 cohorts
17x followers
+28 score
Looking at your initial score calculations, I think you are off by 20. The Crusader does not add the mythic tiers since they were already added by mythic leadership. [See FAQ and FAQ.] Starting at 43, adding the above gets me a score of 71. [= 1600 fewer followers than your 87]
Looking at my table above, you get:
71: 40th cohort & 4100 1st, 410 2nd, 205 3rd, 103 4th, 52 5th, 26 6th, 13 7th, 7 8th, 4 9th, 2 10th, 1 11th
For a result of:
40th*4 cohorts & 69700 1st, 6970 2nd, 3485 3rd, 1751 4th, 884 5th, 442 6th, 221 7th, 119 8th, 68 9th, 34 10th, 17 11th
/cevah
So when i took epic leadership i was taking it as it to be the upgraded version of whatever type of leadership i had at lower lvls.
The feat Epic Leadership just opens up the table to numbers greater than a score of 25.
So what's happened in the last 10 months?
What do you have for your bad guy?
/cevah
PS: I saw your PM, but as I am not that well versed as an optimizer, I don't have any feel for your questions. I suggest you post to the forum (and change the links to actual links) for others to comment on.